Opening 1NT with 5cM in a limited 1M system
#1
Posted 2012-August-30, 06:53
For purposes of this discussion, assume that your tendency when playing a standardish system (5cM, 15-17 NT, 1C=3+, etc.) is to freely open 1NT with a 5cM, if you judge the hand is otherwise suitable.
Now, assume you are playing a system where 1M is limited to something like 11-15, and also that you play a 1NT range that overlaps the limited range. How does this affect the likelihood that you might open 1NT with a 5cM? This could apply to Big ♣/Big ♦ systems, but I'm also interested in responses from people who have experience playing 2-way club systems like Swedish Club.
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#2
Posted 2012-August-30, 10:32
#3
Posted 2012-August-30, 15:02
- R. Buckminster Fuller
#4
Posted 2012-August-30, 15:09
#5
Posted 2012-August-30, 16:35
- billw55
#6
Posted 2012-August-30, 17:04
lalldonn, on 2012-August-30, 16:35, said:
This is my feeling too. I pretty close to always open 1NT with any in range 4333, 4432, 5332, 5m422, and 6m322 - regardless of if the nt range is 10-12, 10-13, 12-14, or 15-17. 1nt is just too awesome to miss!
#7
Posted 2012-August-30, 17:56
Dianne, I'm holding in my hand a small box of chocolate bunnies... --Agent Dale Cooper
#8
Posted 2012-August-30, 18:41
If you have more than a minimum 1M by about an ace, you run into some trouble. Your hand will become hard to show in some sequences and you may land in the wrong strain and/or level. While there are some work-arounds for this (Bart, Gazzilli, etc) they tend to help where opener has extra while costing when opener is min. Since a strong club (or strong diamond, or polish club) rules out most strong 1M opens, you probably don't want to play these. It follows that you probably want to open 1nt (or whatever you open on strong NT hands) despite the 5M, but when you have a weak no trump strength you want to open 1M (and not polish club or precision 1d or a weak 1nt).
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#9
Posted 2012-August-30, 18:43
as often as I can.
Don't even care that my partner won't cater
for my 5cM in our counters.
#10
Posted 2012-August-30, 23:26
"Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself."
"One advantage of bad bidding is that you get practice at playing atrocious contracts."
-Alfred Sheinwold
#11
Posted 2012-August-31, 03:45
#12
Posted 2012-September-01, 12:32
Free, on 2012-August-31, 03:45, said:
Is that all one needs for a "strong" NT these days?
#13
Posted 2012-September-01, 16:54
#14
Posted 2012-September-01, 22:03
That said, I echo what a few others have said in that I love opening 1NT. Especially in the auction 1H-1S-1NT now partner knows our range and I don't have to rebid 2m on a non-suit when I'm out of range for my rebid.
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#15
Posted 2012-September-02, 06:33
mikestar13, on 2012-September-01, 16:54, said:
I'm not convinced.
- R. Buckminster Fuller
#16
Posted 2012-September-02, 07:39
kayin801, on 2012-September-01, 22:03, said:
Warped person that I am, an interesting thought came. For those with 12-14 NT, partner would indeed know the range in the auction 1H-1S-1NT. The split range is 10/11 OR 15.
#17
Posted 2012-September-03, 01:56
#18
Posted 2012-September-03, 02:20
#19
Posted 2012-September-03, 03:52
the hog, on 2012-September-03, 02:20, said:
I think everybody agrees with that. I think everybody also agrees that a limited 1M works better than an unlimited 1M. Therefore it seems obvious that opening 1M is more appealing in a limited system than in an unlimited system.
I would still open 1NT pretty much all the time fwiw.
- hrothgar
#20
Posted 2012-September-03, 06:01
han, on 2012-September-03, 03:52, said:
Fantunes disagrees