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#21 User is offline   han 

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Posted 2011-December-20, 05:07

 rhm, on 2011-December-20, 04:45, said:

Also if you eventually defend, a diamond lead could be crucial. If you make an invitational raise on three small spades how likely is that?


You'll be on lead against hearts.
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Posted 2011-December-22, 04:22

I bid 4♠, but in retrospect I think the risk of going for 500 is too great. Having said that, it worked out OK on the actual deal:


(One of Frances's threads is about the same hand, with a different auction.)

Partner's overcall was rather skimpy, but even if you give partner another high card game is poor. As it was, 4♠ would have been horrible, but opener decided to bid over it. "Trust your vulnerable opponents" doesn't work that well when they don't know what they're doing.

After 5♥ had gone two down, my world-class LHO commented that 4♠ appeared to be making. Then my world-class RHO agreed with him. I expect the spectators were impressed.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-December-22, 05:02

 gnasher, on 2011-December-22, 04:22, said:


After 5♥ had gone two down, my world-class LHO commented that 4♠ appeared to be making. Then my world-class RHO agreed with him. I expect the spectators were impressed.


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Posted 2011-December-22, 05:42

 gnasher, on 2011-December-22, 04:22, said:

After 5♥ had gone two down, my world-class LHO commented that 4♠ appeared to be making. Then my world-class RHO agreed with him. I expect the spectators were impressed.


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Posted 2011-December-22, 06:46

I admit, I would have gone for 800, nothing new about that. :D
But in my defense I prefer slightly more constructive overcalls at these colors.
I can see that it suggests a lead, but apart from that, is it not asking for trouble at these colors? A sixth spade at least would have been helpful.
Vulnerable overcalls should show more than non vulnerable ones even at the one-level, not least because good opponents have been known to reap big penalties even from one-level overcalls. When overcalls can range from 6 to 18 HCP red versus white, you will have to pay a price.

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Posted 2011-December-22, 11:12

 gnasher, on 2011-December-22, 04:22, said:

After 5♥ had gone two down, my world-class LHO commented that 4♠ appeared to be making. Then my world-class RHO agreed with him. I expect the spectators were impressed.

Their defence was probably as good as their analysis.
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Posted 2011-December-22, 14:18

 JLOGIC, on 2011-December-22, 05:02, said:

Only 3 losers bro!


Where are the ten winners???
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Posted 2011-December-22, 14:32

 jogs, on 2011-December-22, 14:18, said:

Where are the ten winners???


Justin was teasing Jogs ;)

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Posted 2011-December-22, 15:53

 gnasher, on 2011-December-22, 04:22, said:

I bid 4♠, but in retrospect I think the risk of going for 500 is too great. Having said that, it worked out OK on the actual deal:


(One of Frances's threads is about the same hand, with a different auction.)

Partner's overcall was rather skimpy, but even if you give partner another high card game is poor. As it was, 4♠ would have been horrible, but opener decided to bid over it. "Trust your vulnerable opponents" doesn't work that well when they don't know what they're doing.



Assuming opponents are rational(or didn't forget to alert neg free bids), pard can only have 7 or 8 points.
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Posted 2011-December-22, 17:12

 jogs, on 2011-December-22, 15:53, said:

Assuming opponents are rational(or didn't forget to alert neg free bids), pard can only have 7 or 8 points.

Rubbish: 11 10 10 9 is perfectly plausible say something like:


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Posted 2011-December-23, 09:11

Is that East hand really too strong for a red 2♠ overcall in your methods? Switch the ♠5 with the ♦5 and I am with you though. :)
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Posted 2011-December-23, 11:53

 Zelandakh, on 2011-December-23, 09:11, said:

Is that East hand really too strong for a red 2♠ overcall in your methods? Switch the ♠5 with the ♦5 and I am with you though. :)

Yes it is, it's a minimun 1♠ by our methods, 2♠ will not meet the requirements for an opening 1 which this does (rule of 19).
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Posted 2011-December-23, 12:35

Never mind too strong, AK98xx 9xx Kx xx is too wrong for a weak jump overcall - it has heaps of defence, not enough playing strength, it's 6322, and it has three hearts.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-December-24, 18:52

 gnasher, on 2011-December-22, 04:22, said:

I bid 4♠, but in retrospect I think the risk of going for 500 is too great. Having said that, it worked out OK on the actual deal:



4♠ turns out to be the perfect call. North with 4-card support almost can't double 4♠ for penalty. He feels the need to show partner his heart support.
If you had bid something else and competed with 4♠ over 4♥, North can now double for penalties. Given that North had shown South his heart fit. The double says 4♥ is expected to make.
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Posted 2011-December-25, 09:18

Had you bid 3D followed by 4S, I think the opponents would have known not to bid 5H.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-December-25, 10:05

I kinda like 4♠ but I am defenitely doubling once the thing I hoping for happens :)
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