[han]

rhm, on 2011-December-20, 04:45, said:

Also if you eventually defend, a diamond lead could be crucial. If you make an invitational raise on three small spades how likely is that?

You'll be on lead against hearts.

[gnasher]

I bid 4♠, but in retrospect I think the risk of going for 500 is too great. Having said that, it worked out OK on the actual deal:

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(One of Frances's threads is about the same hand, with a different auction.)

Partner's overcall was rather skimpy, but even if you give partner another high card game is poor. As it was, 4♠ would have been horrible, but opener decided to bid over it. "Trust your vulnerable opponents" doesn't work that well when they don't know what they're doing.

After 5♥ had gone two down, my world-class LHO commented that 4♠ appeared to be making. Then my world-class RHO agreed with him. I expect the spectators were impressed.

[JLOGIC]

gnasher, on 2011-December-22, 04:22, said:

After 5♥ had gone two down, my world-class LHO commented that 4♠ appeared to be making. Then my world-class RHO agreed with him. I expect the spectators were impressed.

Only 3 losers bro!

[phil_20686]

gnasher, on 2011-December-22, 04:22, said:

After 5♥ had gone two down, my world-class LHO commented that 4♠ appeared to be making. Then my world-class RHO agreed with him. I expect the spectators were impressed.

If only name and shame were allowed....

[rhm]

I admit, I would have gone for 800, nothing new about that.
But in my defense I prefer slightly more constructive overcalls at these colors.
I can see that it suggests a lead, but apart from that, is it not asking for trouble at these colors? A sixth spade at least would have been helpful.
Vulnerable overcalls should show more than non vulnerable ones even at the one-level, not least because good opponents have been known to reap big penalties even from one-level overcalls. When overcalls can range from 6 to 18 HCP red versus white, you will have to pay a price.

Rainer Herrmann

[Cyberyeti]

gnasher, on 2011-December-22, 04:22, said:

After 5♥ had gone two down, my world-class LHO commented that 4♠ appeared to be making. Then my world-class RHO agreed with him. I expect the spectators were impressed.

Their defence was probably as good as their analysis.

[jogs]

JLOGIC, on 2011-December-22, 05:02, said:

Only 3 losers bro!

Where are the ten winners???

[MrAce]

jogs, on 2011-December-22, 14:18, said:

Where are the ten winners???

Justin was teasing Jogs

Perhaps u too and i am the one jumping on bait

[jogs]

gnasher, on 2011-December-22, 04:22, said:

I bid 4♠, but in retrospect I think the risk of going for 500 is too great. Having said that, it worked out OK on the actual deal:

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(One of Frances's threads is about the same hand, with a different auction.)

Partner's overcall was rather skimpy, but even if you give partner another high card game is poor. As it was, 4♠ would have been horrible, but opener decided to bid over it. "Trust your vulnerable opponents" doesn't work that well when they don't know what they're doing.

Assuming opponents are rational(or didn't forget to alert neg free bids), pard can only have 7 or 8 points.

[Cyberyeti]

jogs, on 2011-December-22, 15:53, said:

Assuming opponents are rational(or didn't forget to alert neg free bids), pard can only have 7 or 8 points.

Rubbish: 11 10 10 9 is perfectly plausible say something like:

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[Zelandakh]

Is that East hand really too strong for a red 2♠ overcall in your methods? Switch the ♠5 with the ♦5 and I am with you though.

[Cyberyeti]

Zelandakh, on 2011-December-23, 09:11, said:

Is that East hand really too strong for a red 2♠ overcall in your methods? Switch the ♠5 with the ♦5 and I am with you though.

Yes it is, it's a minimun 1♠ by our methods, 2♠ will not meet the requirements for an opening 1 which this does (rule of 19).

[gnasher]

Never mind too strong, AK98xx 9xx Kx xx is too wrong for a weak jump overcall - it has heaps of defence, not enough playing strength, it's 6322, and it has three hearts.

[jogs]

gnasher, on 2011-December-22, 04:22, said:

I bid 4♠, but in retrospect I think the risk of going for 500 is too great. Having said that, it worked out OK on the actual deal:

4♠ turns out to be the perfect call. North with 4-card support almost can't double 4♠ for penalty. He feels the need to show partner his heart support.
If you had bid something else and competed with 4♠ over 4♥, North can now double for penalties. Given that North had shown South his heart fit. The double says 4♥ is expected to make.

[han]

Had you bid 3D followed by 4S, I think the opponents would have known not to bid 5H.

[bluecalm]

I kinda like 4♠ but I am defenitely doubling once the thing I hoping for happens