Partner opens 1 Diamond What would you bid?
#1
Posted 2011-April-26, 19:39
♠Axx
♥---
♦AKxxxx
♣AKQT
Your partner opens 1♦, playing teams what would you plan to bid if:
a. Partner has at least 4 diamonds
b. Partner could have 3 diamonds
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
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#2
Posted 2011-April-26, 20:03
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#4
Posted 2011-April-26, 20:27
Worse yet, give her KQJX AKQX QXX JX, and we lose a trick to JT98 of diamonds.
#5
Posted 2011-April-27, 02:11
Hanoi5, on 2011-April-26, 19:39, said:
♠Axx
♥---
♦AKxxxx
♣AKQT
Your partner opens 1♦, playing teams what would you plan to bid if:
a. Partner has at least 4 diamonds
b. Partner could have 3 diamonds
a) 3♥ (specifically void by our methods)
b) probably 2♦ inverted to try to get more information about partner's shape, big difference between xxx and xxxx of diamonds.
#6
Posted 2011-April-27, 04:36
I'd like to find out if this is the case, so I won't trot out inverted minors because that will leave me in the dark with respect to extras. I'll bid 2♣ and follow-up with a stopper sequence. If pard later shows lack of heart stop, I'll go grand. But if he has a heart stop and a min hand, I'll settle for 6.
#7
Posted 2011-April-27, 06:20
#8
Posted 2011-April-27, 09:15
I would do this no matter 3+ or 4+ dia
main advantage is it sets trumps if i wish to find out about
dia Q and possibly allows p to show extra values so
we can aim for 7n vs (a probable) 7d. This also allows
for exploration of heart stopper and an easy 7d if p has none.
#10
Posted 2011-April-27, 10:29
whereagles, on 2011-April-27, 04:36, said:
I'd like to find out if this is the case, so I won't trot out inverted minors because that will leave me in the dark with respect to extras. I'll bid 2♣ and follow-up with a stopper sequence. If pard later shows lack of heart stop, I'll go grand. But if he has a heart stop and a min hand, I'll settle for 6.
You might discuss follow-ups in more detail with partner if you have no way of dragging out the possession of extras in opener's hand. Even as originally devised, inverted minors provided for ways to do this.
On this hand, you can be fairly certain opener will have both majors stopped, so he will bid 2NT with 13-14, 2H with 11-12 (even with both stopped, if weak) or 3NT with 18-19. 3D rebid would not be likely considering what you hold...but would show extra diamonds and a very weak opener.
After 2D inv+ and a 2NT rebid showing 13-14, you are committed to game, and can slammishly rebid 3C. If opener bids 3NT now, there is a strong assumption she only has 3 diamonds, but you can still employ whatever methods you have to find out about controls and the diamond queen.
#11
Posted 2011-April-28, 01:53
#13
Posted 2011-April-28, 03:52
JLOGIC, on 2011-April-28, 01:53, said:
I posted the hand 'cause at a table it was 1♦-7♦ and at the other 1♦-2♣-...-7♦, eventually. I couldn't really find a way to ask about the cards you need, partner held:
♠Kxx
♥AKQ
♦JTxx
♣xxx
and I think there's no scientific way, playing 2/1, to discover it all and get to 7NT, for example. Not even 'clearly' getting to 7♦ and so my quest to prove the 1♦-7♦ wrong was void.
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:
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#14
Posted 2011-April-28, 05:37
1♦(4+ cards)-3♥(void, give exclusion responses or 4♦ with a bad hand)
4♦(bad hand)-4♥(re-exclusion)
4♠(0/3)-4N (Q♦ ?)
5♦(nope)-5♥
5♠(king)-6♣
6♥(ace)- ?
What's the worst hand partner can have with the A♥/K♠ that doesn't make 7N laydown assuming the diamonds run opposite:
KJxx
AQJ
Jxxx
xx
I suppose, but he has to not have J♣, Q♠, K♥ and even then you're on J♣ down in 3 or the spade finesse alongside some squeeze possibilities.
I think I know enough now to bid 7N.
#15
Posted 2011-April-28, 10:40
I think 7NT is automatic playing a relay system.
I'd start with 2C. 1D shows 3+ diamonds. Partner would show 3-3-4-3 distribution and a minimum. I'd scan and find Kxx AKx xxxx xxx plus a little bit, but not the diamond queen or club queen (the latter I already knew). That's already 13 tricks.
Not playing relays you can still do it if you play kickback. You could for example 1D - 2D - 2NT - 4H. If you hold a void plus all the other keycards, that's an exception to the rule that you shouldn't bid blackwood with a void . If you can use all the room to find out partner has the two kings, you are done.
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#16
Posted 2011-April-28, 10:44
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#19
Posted 2011-April-28, 13:08
#20
Posted 2011-April-28, 13:57
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