[Hanoi5]

You hold:

♠Axx
♥---
♦AKxxxx
♣AKQT

Your partner opens 1♦, playing teams what would you plan to bid if:

a. Partner has at least 4 diamonds
b. Partner could have 3 diamonds

[TWO4BRIDGE]

1D - 2D! ( inverted, GF )

[Bbradley62]

ick... 2♦, but will probably end up blasting 7♦ eventually at IMPs.

[aguahombre]

2D is fine. Maybe pard will show a 19-pointer with her rebid and we might gain a couple IMPS for not dogging it in 7♦.

Worse yet, give her KQJX AKQX QXX JX, and we lose a trick to JT98 of diamonds.

[Cyberyeti]

 Hanoi5, on 2011-April-26, 19:39, said:

You hold:

♠Axx
♥---
♦AKxxxx
♣AKQT

Your partner opens 1♦, playing teams what would you plan to bid if:

a. Partner has at least 4 diamonds
b. Partner could have 3 diamonds

a) 3♥ (specifically void by our methods)

b) probably 2♦ inverted to try to get more information about partner's shape, big difference between xxx and xxxx of diamonds.

[whereagles]

If opps are passing, pard will probably have a balanced 12-14 hand. But he can have a bit more too.

I'd like to find out if this is the case, so I won't trot out inverted minors because that will leave me in the dark with respect to extras. I'll bid 2♣ and follow-up with a stopper sequence. If pard later shows lack of heart stop, I'll go grand. But if he has a heart stop and a min hand, I'll settle for 6.

[Free]

2♣, we may belong in our 4-4 fit, so I'll look for this first.

[gszes]

2d inv invitational or better
I would do this no matter 3+ or 4+ dia
main advantage is it sets trumps if i wish to find out about
dia Q and possibly allows p to show extra values so
we can aim for 7n vs (a probable) 7d. This also allows
for exploration of heart stopper and an easy 7d if p has none.

[quiddity]

2♦

[aguahombre]

 whereagles, on 2011-April-27, 04:36, said:

If opps are passing, pard will probably have a balanced 12-14 hand. But he can have a bit more too.

I'd like to find out if this is the case, so I won't trot out inverted minors because that will leave me in the dark with respect to extras. I'll bid 2♣ and follow-up with a stopper sequence. If pard later shows lack of heart stop, I'll go grand. But if he has a heart stop and a min hand, I'll settle for 6.

You might discuss follow-ups in more detail with partner if you have no way of dragging out the possession of extras in opener's hand. Even as originally devised, inverted minors provided for ways to do this.

On this hand, you can be fairly certain opener will have both majors stopped, so he will bid 2NT with 13-14, 2H with 11-12 (even with both stopped, if weak) or 3NT with 18-19. 3D rebid would not be likely considering what you hold...but would show extra diamonds and a very weak opener.

After 2D inv+ and a 2NT rebid showing 13-14, you are committed to game, and can slammishly rebid 3C. If opener bids 3NT now, there is a strong assumption she only has 3 diamonds, but you can still employ whatever methods you have to find out about controls and the diamond queen.

[JLOGIC]

I might just say lol and bid 7D if it's imps. I can't imagine ever not bidding it. I'm sure irl I'd start with 2D and go from there though.

[Fluffy]

are the canape slam biddings out of fashion yet?

[Hanoi5]

 JLOGIC, on 2011-April-28, 01:53, said:

I might just say lol and bid 7D if it's imps. I can't imagine ever not bidding it. I'm sure irl I'd start with 2D and go from there though.

I posted the hand 'cause at a table it was 1♦-7♦ and at the other 1♦-2♣-...-7♦, eventually. I couldn't really find a way to ask about the cards you need, partner held:

♠Kxx
♥AKQ
♦JTxx
♣xxx

and I think there's no scientific way, playing 2/1, to discover it all and get to 7NT, for example. Not even 'clearly' getting to 7♦ and so my quest to prove the 1♦-7♦ wrong was void.

[Cyberyeti]

Our auction would be: (if we didn't play a weak no trump)

1♦(4+ cards)-3♥(void, give exclusion responses or 4♦ with a bad hand)
4♦(bad hand)-4♥(re-exclusion)
4♠(0/3)-4N (Q♦ ?)
5♦(nope)-5♥
5♠(king)-6♣
6♥(ace)- ?

What's the worst hand partner can have with the A♥/K♠ that doesn't make 7N laydown assuming the diamonds run opposite:

KJxx
AQJ
Jxxx
xx

I suppose, but he has to not have J♣, Q♠, K♥ and even then you're on J♣ down in 3 or the spade finesse alongside some squeeze possibilities.

I think I know enough now to bid 7N.

[han]

Why would partner bid 4D and not 3NT holding AKQ of hearts after you show the heart void?

I think 7NT is automatic playing a relay system.

I'd start with 2C. 1D shows 3+ diamonds. Partner would show 3-3-4-3 distribution and a minimum. I'd scan and find Kxx AKx xxxx xxx plus a little bit, but not the diamond queen or club queen (the latter I already knew). That's already 13 tricks.

Not playing relays you can still do it if you play kickback. You could for example 1D - 2D - 2NT - 4H. If you hold a void plus all the other keycards, that's an exception to the rule that you shouldn't bid blackwood with a void . If you can use all the room to find out partner has the two kings, you are done.

[han]

On second thought, if you ask for keycards, then ask for kings and partner shows the heart king, you can count to 12 with plenty of chances for the 13th. At matchpoints I think you should bid 7NT and I think that a substantial part of the field would find it.

[Cyberyeti]

 han, on 2011-April-28, 10:40, said:

Why would partner bid 4D and not 3NT holding AKQ of hearts after you show the heart void?

Because 3N would show a decent hand and one or 4 keycards, 4♦ is the bad hand in context bid systemically.

[mike777]

 Hanoi5, on 2011-April-26, 19:39, said:

You hold:

♠Axx
♥---
♦AKxxxx
♣AKQT

Your partner opens 1♦, playing teams what would you plan to bid if:

a. Partner has at least 4 diamonds
b. Partner could have 3 diamonds

4h(rkc in d)=4nt(1-4)
5h(specific k ask/grand try)=5s(k)
6c(k)=6h(k)
7nt

[aguahombre]

I think a lot of people do not employ immediate splinter responses to 1m, for the reason that they would have a hard time showing certain long-major hands if they did. And, with inverted minors available, direct splinters are not really needed.

[han]

They are not? Say it goes 1D - 2D, how likely is it that you can show a heart splinter below 3NT? Maybe 1D - 2D - 2NT - 3H shows shortness, but can you show heart shortness if partner bids 2H, 2S, 3C, 3D?