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Should we alert P/D/RD in high-level auctions?

  1. Yes, apply the rules to the letter (8 votes [80.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 80.00%

  2. No, follow the intention of the rules (2 votes [20.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  3. I don't know, I'm scared mommy! (0 votes [0.00%])

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Posted 2011-April-19, 03:36

Some regulations state that no bid/call above 3NT may be alerted. It's clear what is intended but it's short through the corner. When you take it to the letter you get a different story to what is intended. Pass, Double and ReDouble cannot be compared to 3NT.

Proof:
I can Dbl over RHO's 1 and anyone can bid 1 over my Dbl. So 1 must be higher than Dbl. Also, I can Dbl over RHO's 4, so Dbl is higher than 4. Dbl < 1 < 4 < Dbl, this is impossible. Therefore it's comparing apples and oranges.

So, should one alert forcing passes (or other meanings for pass/Dbl/RDbl) when the auction is higher than 3NT? Or should we be stubborn until the regulators make work of a decent description of their alerting rule? :D
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Posted 2011-April-19, 03:48

In the EBU, which in general has a "no alerting above 3NT" rule, the regulations give a small number of exceptions:

i) conventional opening bids;
ii) lead-directing passes;
iii) lead-directing doubles which ask for the lead of a suit other than that doubled.

They also say "once the auction is above the level of 3NT", which seems to deal with your other worry.
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Posted 2011-April-19, 04:55

In ACBLand it is clear if you read the rules:

Delayed Alerts
Beginning with and including opener’s second call, an Alertable bid above the level of 3NT bid is a delayed Alert. Passes, doubles and redoubles requiring an Alert must always be Alerted immediately. [2nd boldface and underline added by poster]

http://www.acbl.org/play/alert.html

PART IV: DOUBLES, REDOUBLES AND PASSES Except for those doubles with highly unusual or unexpected meanings, doubles do not require an Alert. [boldface added by poster]

http://www.acbl.org/...procedures.html
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Posted 2011-April-19, 05:51

Nice to see you all have clear regulations B-)
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Posted 2011-April-19, 06:46

View PostFree, on 2011-April-19, 05:51, said:

Nice to see you all have clear regulations B-)


I wish :lol: .

However, at the Gatlinburg Regional in the A/B Open Pairs (750/2000 MP) we were allowed to play Kaplan Inversion and Mult-Landy - two Mid-Chart Conventions. Go figure.
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Posted 2011-April-19, 09:09

You were allowed to play EBU Level 3 agreements? Weren't you lucky! :)
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