Some regulations state that no bid/call above 3NT may be alerted. It's clear what is intended but it's short through the corner. When you take it to the letter you get a different story to what is intended. Pass, Double and ReDouble cannot be compared to 3NT.
Proof:
I can Dbl over RHO's 1♥ and anyone can bid 1♠ over my Dbl. So 1♠ must be higher than Dbl. Also, I can Dbl over RHO's 4♥, so Dbl is higher than 4♥. Dbl < 1♠ < 4♥ < Dbl, this is impossible. Therefore it's comparing apples and oranges.
So, should one alert forcing passes (or other meanings for pass/Dbl/RDbl) when the auction is higher than 3NT? Or should we be stubborn until the regulators make work of a decent description of their alerting rule?
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Silly question
#1
Posted 2011-April-19, 03:36
"It may be rude to leave to go to the bathroom, but it's downright stupid to sit there and piss yourself" - blackshoe
#2
Posted 2011-April-19, 03:48
In the EBU, which in general has a "no alerting above 3NT" rule, the regulations give a small number of exceptions:
i) conventional opening bids;
ii) lead-directing passes;
iii) lead-directing doubles which ask for the lead of a suit other than that doubled.
They also say "once the auction is above the level of 3NT", which seems to deal with your other worry.
i) conventional opening bids;
ii) lead-directing passes;
iii) lead-directing doubles which ask for the lead of a suit other than that doubled.
They also say "once the auction is above the level of 3NT", which seems to deal with your other worry.
#3
Posted 2011-April-19, 04:55
In ACBLand it is clear if you read the rules:
Delayed Alerts Beginning with and including opener’s second call, an Alertable bid above the level of 3NT bid is a delayed Alert. Passes, doubles and redoubles requiring an Alert must always be Alerted immediately. [2nd boldface and underline added by poster]
http://www.acbl.org/play/alert.html
PART IV: DOUBLES, REDOUBLES AND PASSES Except for those doubles with highly unusual or unexpected meanings, doubles do not require an Alert. [boldface added by poster]
http://www.acbl.org/...procedures.html
Delayed Alerts Beginning with and including opener’s second call, an Alertable bid above the level of 3NT bid is a delayed Alert. Passes, doubles and redoubles requiring an Alert must always be Alerted immediately. [2nd boldface and underline added by poster]
http://www.acbl.org/play/alert.html
PART IV: DOUBLES, REDOUBLES AND PASSES Except for those doubles with highly unusual or unexpected meanings, doubles do not require an Alert. [boldface added by poster]
http://www.acbl.org/...procedures.html
Ultra ♣ Relay: see Daniel's web page: https://bridgewithda...19/07/Ultra.pdf
C3: Copious Canape Club is still my favorite system. (Ultra upgraded, PM for notes)
Santa Fe Precision ♣ published 8/19. TOP3 published 11/20. Magic experiment (Science Modernized) with Lenzo. 2020: Jan Eric Larsson's Cottontail ♣. 2020. BFUN (Bridge For the UNbalanced) 2021: Weiss Simplified ♣ (Canape & Relay). 2022: Canary ♣ Modernized, 2023-4: KOK Canape.
C3: Copious Canape Club is still my favorite system. (Ultra upgraded, PM for notes)
Santa Fe Precision ♣ published 8/19. TOP3 published 11/20. Magic experiment (Science Modernized) with Lenzo. 2020: Jan Eric Larsson's Cottontail ♣. 2020. BFUN (Bridge For the UNbalanced) 2021: Weiss Simplified ♣ (Canape & Relay). 2022: Canary ♣ Modernized, 2023-4: KOK Canape.
#4
Posted 2011-April-19, 05:51
Nice to see you all have clear regulations
"It may be rude to leave to go to the bathroom, but it's downright stupid to sit there and piss yourself" - blackshoe
#5
Posted 2011-April-19, 06:46
Free, on 2011-April-19, 05:51, said:
Nice to see you all have clear regulations
I wish .
However, at the Gatlinburg Regional in the A/B Open Pairs (750/2000 MP) we were allowed to play Kaplan Inversion and Mult-Landy - two Mid-Chart Conventions. Go figure.
Ultra ♣ Relay: see Daniel's web page: https://bridgewithda...19/07/Ultra.pdf
C3: Copious Canape Club is still my favorite system. (Ultra upgraded, PM for notes)
Santa Fe Precision ♣ published 8/19. TOP3 published 11/20. Magic experiment (Science Modernized) with Lenzo. 2020: Jan Eric Larsson's Cottontail ♣. 2020. BFUN (Bridge For the UNbalanced) 2021: Weiss Simplified ♣ (Canape & Relay). 2022: Canary ♣ Modernized, 2023-4: KOK Canape.
C3: Copious Canape Club is still my favorite system. (Ultra upgraded, PM for notes)
Santa Fe Precision ♣ published 8/19. TOP3 published 11/20. Magic experiment (Science Modernized) with Lenzo. 2020: Jan Eric Larsson's Cottontail ♣. 2020. BFUN (Bridge For the UNbalanced) 2021: Weiss Simplified ♣ (Canape & Relay). 2022: Canary ♣ Modernized, 2023-4: KOK Canape.
#6
Posted 2011-April-19, 09:09
You were allowed to play EBU Level 3 agreements? Weren't you lucky!
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Merseyside England UK
EBL TD
Currently at home
Visiting IBLF from time to time
<webjak666@gmail.com>
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