With diamonds agreed as trumps, you keycard and get 5d (1 or 4) response.  You have all 5 and queen of trumps.  What would 5s mean here? Can it ask partner to bid grand if he has SK?
						
						
						
					
					
				
		
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What does 5s mean here?
				
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				Posted 2025-April-17, 07:48
						Yes, but better agreements exist. I prefer for 5♠ to ask for specific kings ('this one or the other two'), 5NT to ask for generic extras, and 6♣ to ask for a third round control in clubs. That last agreement isn't particularly good, but it fits well with my meta-agreements so it is easy to remember.
						
						
						
					
					
				
				
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				Posted 2025-April-17, 22:14
 DavidKok, on 2025-April-17, 07:48, said:
DavidKok, on 2025-April-17, 07:48, said:
Yes, but better agreements exist. I prefer for 5♠ to ask for specific kings ('this one or the other two'), 5NT to ask for generic extras, and 6♣ to ask for a third round control in clubs. That last agreement isn't particularly good, but it fits well with my meta-agreements so it is easy to remember.
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				Posted 2025-April-17, 23:22
						Without additional discussion, I would expect 5♠ to ask for third round control of spades (so doubleton or Q) to bid grand.
						
						
						
					
					
				
				
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				Posted 2025-April-17, 23:47
 akwoo, on 2025-April-17, 23:22, said:
akwoo, on 2025-April-17, 23:22, said:
Without additional discussion, I would expect 5♠ to ask for third round control of spades (so doubleton or Q) to bid grand.
I don't think this is practical, surely you need it to ask for K of spades. Otherwise there really isn't enough room. To get 3rd round control asks at this level, you really had to be playing kickback, so that Q ask is always lower than 5D, 5H (trump suit + 1) can be K ask, and higher can be 3rd round control asks.
	
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