[jillybean]

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Please be aware this is posted in the N&B forum - nothing too far fetched

[akwoo]

It would be nice if you have some way of both showing diamond support and inviting slam (while reserving the right to play in 3N or 4N). (Bonus: Going slow lets us find 7♦ if partner has the magic hand for it.)

Barring that, I'd blast 6♦ or 6N, depending on partner's declaring skills and the field. Maybe with a nervous partner who doesn't like going down I'll bid only 4N.

[mw64ahw]

The N&Bs I know will do the Gerber.

[Cyberyeti]

Is the diamond 3+ or 4+ ?

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

6NT

Obviously you can bid 6D as well, but bal. vs bal.
You have 32, and you have undervalued Aces,
and you are NOT 4333, go for the optimistic route.
The alternative being 4NT quant.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jillybean]

Cyberyeti, on 2024-November-26, 02:42, said:

Is the diamond 3+ or 4+ ?

I expect 4, could be 3334 with an awkward rebid.

[Cyberyeti]

jillybean, on 2024-November-26, 05:12, said:

I expect 4, could be 3334 with an awkward rebid.

What are my arrangements ? 3♣ nat/art and if art, how do we rebid ?

I would have started with 2♦ inverted so had a very different auction, but 6♦/6N both in the frame.

Pairs/teams ?

[P_Marlowe]

jillybean, on 2024-November-26, 05:12, said:

I expect 4, could be 3334 with an awkward rebid.

Since this is B/I, we know the rebid.
The question is, what gets opened holding 432 in clubs and AKQ in diamonds, and is the rebid 2NT with
a 4 card spade suit or 1S?

[apollo1201]

We have a much better hand than its 14-count suggests: 3 A, some intermediaries, not the deradful 4333 pattern, and a golden DQ complementing our suit which is BTW facing partner s likely 4-cd suit.

So we need to drive to slam.

If 5NT pick a slam is not available then we have to blast it, we could try 6D at IMPs and 6NT at MPs.

[jillybean]

Cyberyeti, on 2024-November-26, 05:36, said:

What are my arrangements ? 3♣ nat/art and if art, how do we rebid ?

I would have started with 2♦ inverted so had a very different auction, but 6♦/6N both in the frame.

Pairs/teams ?

This pair will have very few agreements. MP

I too would have started gf2D but that does not seem to be popular when holding a 4cM

[pescetom]

Even N/B play various flavours of 5cM 2/1 and the discussion has to take account of this. Some will play 1D is always 4+, some will always respond 1M with a 4 card major, some will do both or neither.

But I don't think it makes much difference as the best advice at this level (and a bit higher too, IMO) is to bid 6NT. N/B don't play IMPs and don't know how to bid a minor slam precisely either.

[Cyberyeti]

pescetom, on 2024-November-26, 10:08, said:

Even N/B play various flavours of 5cM 2/1 and the discussion has to take account of this. Some will play 1D is always 4+, some will always respond 1M with a 4 card major, some will do both or neither.

But I don't think it makes much difference as the best advice at this level (and a bit higher too, IMO) is to bid 6NT. N/B don't play IMPs and don't know how to bid a minor slam precisely either.

The only reason to agree diamonds is to avoid a stupidity opposite KQJ, KQ, Jxxx, KQJ which N/B still value as 18, and play at the 5 level.

[pescetom]

 Cyberyeti, on 2024-November-26, 10:13, said:

The only reason to agree diamonds is to avoid a stupidity opposite KQJ, KQ, Jxxx, KQJ which N/B still value as 18, and play at the 5 level.

As hrothgar and others have rightly pointed out on this forum, hand evaluation (and joint hand evaluation) should be taught before bidding... unfortunately it is rarely so.
OTOH if they are going to make this mistake, better that they do so and go down. They are playing to learn, not to win. The important thing is that someone competent can explain to them what went wrong.