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I don't see any reason to go to the 3-level with a couple of cowboys, less than 17HCP, probably some bad split, and probably only an 8 card fit. Even with the singleton, chance is huge you won't get enough ruffs, since your partner won't have trump control.
Just to clarify: it was a regular partnership, but I rarely psych with him. However, he knows what psychs are, he made a few himself in the last couple of months, and I gave him the book "the art of psychic bidding" to get him familiar with them (because they might help sometimes). On our convention card it states "psychs: rare, unless against strong artificial openings" which is in this partnership correct.
Before he passed my 2♠ bid, he took quite a while to think. When I pulled to 3♦, imo it's clear I psyched for everyone.
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Posted 2005-June-27, 14:05
Free, on Jun 27 2005, 08:03 PM, said:
I don't see any reason to go to the 3-level with a couple of cowboys, less than 17HCP, probably some bad split, and probably only an 8 card fit. Even with the singleton, chance is huge you won't get enough ruffs, since your partner won't have trump control.
Just to clarify: it was a regular partnership, but I rarely psych with him. However, he knows what psychs are, he made a few himself in the last couple of months, and I gave him the book "the art of psychic bidding" to get him familiar with them (because they might help sometimes). On our convention card it states "psychs: rare, unless against strong artificial openings" which is in this partnership correct.
Before he passed my 2♠ bid, he took quite a while to think. When I pulled to 3♦, imo it's clear I psyched for everyone.
Just to clarify: it was a regular partnership, but I rarely psych with him. However, he knows what psychs are, he made a few himself in the last couple of months, and I gave him the book "the art of psychic bidding" to get him familiar with them (because they might help sometimes). On our convention card it states "psychs: rare, unless against strong artificial openings" which is in this partnership correct.
Before he passed my 2♠ bid, he took quite a while to think. When I pulled to 3♦, imo it's clear I psyched for everyone.
You didn't psyche.
You cuebid 2♠ so what ?
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Posted 2005-June-27, 14:06
luis, on Jun 27 2005, 09:05 PM, said:
Free, on Jun 27 2005, 08:03 PM, said:
I don't see any reason to go to the 3-level with a couple of cowboys, less than 17HCP, probably some bad split, and probably only an 8 card fit. Even with the singleton, chance is huge you won't get enough ruffs, since your partner won't have trump control.
Just to clarify: it was a regular partnership, but I rarely psych with him. However, he knows what psychs are, he made a few himself in the last couple of months, and I gave him the book "the art of psychic bidding" to get him familiar with them (because they might help sometimes). On our convention card it states "psychs: rare, unless against strong artificial openings" which is in this partnership correct.
Before he passed my 2♠ bid, he took quite a while to think. When I pulled to 3♦, imo it's clear I psyched for everyone.
Just to clarify: it was a regular partnership, but I rarely psych with him. However, he knows what psychs are, he made a few himself in the last couple of months, and I gave him the book "the art of psychic bidding" to get him familiar with them (because they might help sometimes). On our convention card it states "psychs: rare, unless against strong artificial openings" which is in this partnership correct.
Before he passed my 2♠ bid, he took quite a while to think. When I pulled to 3♦, imo it's clear I psyched for everyone.
You didn't psyche.
You cuebid 2♠ so what ?
I didn't have the hand for the 2♠ cuebid as well
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Posted 2005-June-27, 14:26
Free, on Jun 27 2005, 08:06 PM, said:
luis, on Jun 27 2005, 09:05 PM, said:
Free, on Jun 27 2005, 08:03 PM, said:
I don't see any reason to go to the 3-level with a couple of cowboys, less than 17HCP, probably some bad split, and probably only an 8 card fit. Even with the singleton, chance is huge you won't get enough ruffs, since your partner won't have trump control.
Just to clarify: it was a regular partnership, but I rarely psych with him. However, he knows what psychs are, he made a few himself in the last couple of months, and I gave him the book "the art of psychic bidding" to get him familiar with them (because they might help sometimes). On our convention card it states "psychs: rare, unless against strong artificial openings" which is in this partnership correct.
Before he passed my 2♠ bid, he took quite a while to think. When I pulled to 3♦, imo it's clear I psyched for everyone.
Just to clarify: it was a regular partnership, but I rarely psych with him. However, he knows what psychs are, he made a few himself in the last couple of months, and I gave him the book "the art of psychic bidding" to get him familiar with them (because they might help sometimes). On our convention card it states "psychs: rare, unless against strong artificial openings" which is in this partnership correct.
Before he passed my 2♠ bid, he took quite a while to think. When I pulled to 3♦, imo it's clear I psyched for everyone.
You didn't psyche.
You cuebid 2♠ so what ?
I didn't have the hand for the 2♠ cuebid as well
That doesn't matter :-)
You may say you psyched your strength but anybody thinking that 2♠ showed a real spade suit need a reality check. There're at least 6 or 7 meanings of 2♠ before thinking about a spade suit.
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Posted 2005-June-27, 14:30
Free, on Jun 27 2005, 03:03 PM, said:
I don't see any reason to go to the 3-level with a couple of cowboys, less than 17HCP, probably some bad split, and probably only an 8 card fit.
if 2s is natural in the sense of offering a real chance to play their, it should show a good 6 card suit. you cant bid a natural 2s after partner prempt in diamond and the oppnents show spadesv with much less. I understand that this would be unlikely hand that would pass the first bid and therfore its probebly clear that 2s isnt natural here. Its not an easy case to say wather your partner should have alerted and what how should explain the bid, imo he should have alerted and explain your system with enough details that will explin the likewood of partner having a serious natural 2sp bid.
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Posted 2005-June-28, 03:27
Why are we arguing over a textbook psyche? 
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Posted 2005-June-28, 04:08
luis, on Jun 27 2005, 08:26 PM, said:
Free, on Jun 27 2005, 08:06 PM, said:
luis, on Jun 27 2005, 09:05 PM, said:
Free, on Jun 27 2005, 08:03 PM, said:
I don't see any reason to go to the 3-level with a couple of cowboys, less than 17HCP, probably some bad split, and probably only an 8 card fit. Even with the singleton, chance is huge you won't get enough ruffs, since your partner won't have trump control.
Just to clarify: it was a regular partnership, but I rarely psych with him. However, he knows what psychs are, he made a few himself in the last couple of months, and I gave him the book "the art of psychic bidding" to get him familiar with them (because they might help sometimes). On our convention card it states "psychs: rare, unless against strong artificial openings" which is in this partnership correct.
Before he passed my 2♠ bid, he took quite a while to think. When I pulled to 3♦, imo it's clear I psyched for everyone.
Just to clarify: it was a regular partnership, but I rarely psych with him. However, he knows what psychs are, he made a few himself in the last couple of months, and I gave him the book "the art of psychic bidding" to get him familiar with them (because they might help sometimes). On our convention card it states "psychs: rare, unless against strong artificial openings" which is in this partnership correct.
Before he passed my 2♠ bid, he took quite a while to think. When I pulled to 3♦, imo it's clear I psyched for everyone.
You didn't psyche.
You cuebid 2♠ so what ?
I didn't have the hand for the 2♠ cuebid as well
That doesn't matter :-)
You may say you psyched your strength but anybody thinking that 2♠ showed a real spade suit need a reality check. There're at least 6 or 7 meanings of 2♠ before thinking about a spade suit.
If 2S is a cue or any other bid except natural, then Free is supposed to alert it. He didnot alert it so 2S should be taken as natural.
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Posted 2005-June-28, 04:11
Free, on Jun 27 2005, 08:03 PM, said:
I don't see any reason to go to the 3-level with a couple of cowboys, less than 17HCP, probably some bad split, and probably only an 8 card fit. Even with the singleton, chance is huge you won't get enough ruffs, since your partner won't have trump control.
Just to clarify: it was a regular partnership, but I rarely psych with him. However, he knows what psychs are, he made a few himself in the last couple of months, and I gave him the book "the art of psychic bidding" to get him familiar with them (because they might help sometimes). On our convention card it states "psychs: rare, unless against strong artificial openings" which is in this partnership correct.
Before he passed my 2♠ bid, he took quite a while to think. When I pulled to 3♦, imo it's clear I psyched for everyone.
Just to clarify: it was a regular partnership, but I rarely psych with him. However, he knows what psychs are, he made a few himself in the last couple of months, and I gave him the book "the art of psychic bidding" to get him familiar with them (because they might help sometimes). On our convention card it states "psychs: rare, unless against strong artificial openings" which is in this partnership correct.
Before he passed my 2♠ bid, he took quite a while to think. When I pulled to 3♦, imo it's clear I psyched for everyone.
1)You go to 3 level, not to make, but to preempt in this context.
2)Do you agree that your pd knows better than your opponents that you are likely to psyche?
3) I dont think your opponents are strong.
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Posted 2005-June-28, 15:16
The theroy of "2S as cue-bid" is absurd, imo.
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HeartA, on Jun 28 2005, 04:16 PM, said:
The theroy of "2S as cue-bid" is absurd, imo.
I agree
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luis, on Jun 27 2005, 09:26 PM, said:
You may say you psyched your strength but anybody thinking that 2♠ showed a real spade suit need a reality check. There're at least 6 or 7 meanings of 2♠ before thinking about a spade suit.
I don't think it's my business to guess what my opponents mean with this bid. If it's not alerted, I assume it's natural and shows a spade suit.
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Jlall, on Jun 28 2005, 02:37 AM, said:
it's a field because he has Hxx and a stiff and didnt raise? Pass is ok since 2D was so weak, but it certainly is borderline and makes it look pretty fishy that when he chose to pass his partner had psyched.
North should, of course, X 2S.
North should, of course, X 2S.
Agree 100% with Justin's comment. East fielded this!
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East's pass could also mean that he interpreted 2♠ as a fit-bid. East has some defensive values which means that 2♠ undoubled could be a bad spot if 2♠ is a psych.
But it's not the question if East knew that 2♠ was a psych. Even if he realized that it was likely to be a psych, he should alert it if playing against opps who aren't used to psychs. It's understandable that he didn't alert it. After all, if you alert everything you might as well alert nothing. It's difficult to say how likely he thought 2♠ to be a psych and how likely he thought the opps were to anticipate a psych.
But it's not the question if East knew that 2♠ was a psych. Even if he realized that it was likely to be a psych, he should alert it if playing against opps who aren't used to psychs. It's understandable that he didn't alert it. After all, if you alert everything you might as well alert nothing. It's difficult to say how likely he thought 2♠ to be a psych and how likely he thought the opps were to anticipate a psych.
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helene_t, on Jul 1 2005, 05:10 AM, said:
East's pass could also mean that he interpreted 2♠ as a fit-bid. East has some defensive values which means that 2♠ undoubled could be a bad spot if 2♠ is a psych.
But it's not the question if East knew that 2♠ was a psych. Even if he realized that it was likely to be a psych, he should alert it if playing against opps who aren't used to psychs. It's understandable that he didn't alert it. After all, if you alert everything you might as well alert nothing. It's difficult to say how likely he thought 2♠ to be a psych and how likely he thought the opps were to anticipate a psych.
But it's not the question if East knew that 2♠ was a psych. Even if he realized that it was likely to be a psych, he should alert it if playing against opps who aren't used to psychs. It's understandable that he didn't alert it. After all, if you alert everything you might as well alert nothing. It's difficult to say how likely he thought 2♠ to be a psych and how likely he thought the opps were to anticipate a psych.
If he interpreted it as a fit bid he would have alerted.
If he thought his partner MIGHT have psyched and thus passed because partner has the tendency to psyche in this auction, that is exactly what fielding is.