I don't think Pass can be a winning bid. Actually 6♥ is making, and 4♠ could have made on the right guess
Terrible wrong
#1
Posted 2022-September-07, 11:33
I don't think Pass can be a winning bid. Actually 6♥ is making, and 4♠ could have made on the right guess
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#2
Posted 2022-September-09, 02:59
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Posted 2022-September-09, 05:01
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Posted 2022-September-09, 05:14
#5
Posted 2022-September-09, 05:53
smerriman, on 2022-September-09, 05:14, said:
I was using the bidding area on BBO to test it, and the description said 2+♠
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#6
Posted 2022-September-09, 14:09
thorvald, on 2022-September-09, 05:53, said:
I know - that's the 'generic description' I was talking about in my previous message.
By undefined I mean:
- GIB will never make the bid
- GIB has no idea what the bid means
- GIB will always pass in response
Double was undefined in 2012:
- the only matching rule for double is a priority 1 rule which says "if double hasn't been defined earlier, never double yourself, just update the description to 2+ of their suit if the human doubles" <-- generic description
- GIB was not allowed to bid 5♥ in response to the double, and all matching response rules are for strong hands that GIB can't hold due to the initial pass.
And today, GIB will pass the double even with an 8 card heart suit and spade void.
Therefore, all evidence points towards double (still) being undefined, not penalty.
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Posted 2022-September-09, 14:59
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Posted 2022-September-09, 15:00
#9
Posted 2022-September-09, 20:31
cherdano, on 2022-September-09, 15:00, said:
That's somewhat true, but more from the sense of "the robots do better, because the robots understand their own system better", which is true regardless of whether or not bids are undefined. That is, in this case, the fact double is undefined is more likely to cause robots to do *worse* in the tournaments, because the vast majority of time South has a hand worth a double, North passing is correct, so it's the humans that profit from being able to double.
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Posted 2022-September-10, 05:08