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Disaster all round How close can you get to the optimum contract?

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Posted 2021-July-27, 07:59

Optimal suit, wrong level, wrong play

Where do you end up? - we found the correct suit, underbid and went down

As an addition 3 pairs contracted in unmakeable games (1xEW in ) 2 making - no-one contracted in a makeable game.
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Posted 2021-July-27, 08:41

I can imagine this auction for me as:
1D-1S
2D-2H
3D-P
Or
1D-1S
2D-2H
2S-3S
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Posted 2021-July-27, 09:40

1(1)-1(2)
1N(3)-2(4)
2(5)-P

(1) "10+, NATish unBAL" OR "20-22 BAL"
(2) "0+, (3)4+ S, may have longer H unless GF values"
(3) 9-14, 2-S5D5C OR "10-12", 2-S3-H6+D OR "16-18, any (unBAL)" OR "20-22 BAL"
(4) "8+, relay"
(5) "10-12", 2-S3-H6+D
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Posted 2021-July-27, 10:44

Because we play 1-1-2-2 as an artificial ask, we would bid 1-1-2-2N(5 spades/4hearts inv)-3 I suspect
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Posted 2021-July-27, 12:35

1-2[s] (5S/4H inv+)-3
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Posted 2021-July-27, 12:39

Much like Winstonm but probably passing 2S:
1D-1S
2D-2H
2S-p/3S

If diamonds is better so be it, spades is where the system leads.
If BBO were to restore the simulation facility we could know with some objectivity.
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Posted 2021-July-27, 13:38


mw64ahw 'Optimal suit, wrong level, wrong play
Where do you end up? - we found the correct suit, underbid and went down. tt
As an addition 3 pairs contracted in unmakeable games (1xEW in ) 2 making - no-one contracted in a makeable game.
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Deal rotated to make South dealer.
IMO responder has a close decision whether or not to pass 2.
Game seems a poor prospect

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Posted 2021-July-27, 15:01

Depending on system:

1-1;
2 (usually "overstrength preempt")-2
2 (or 3, but at MPs, I like 2)-p. I can see a game try, which gets Nigel's auction.

or:

2-2;
p. If partner wants to run from diamonds (which, granted, could be J8532 or worse), Kx and the A should be enough to survive.
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Posted 2021-July-28, 01:24

I'm not sure why, but the NS hands felt like they had game potential when playing, but we got stuck in 2

Game probabilities are approximately
5 9% 4 makeable
4 35% 4 makeable
4 19% 6 makeable
Strangely of the 4 pairs that bid only one pair managed to make 3 with the others going down. Is this such a hard one to play?

1 pair made 3NT after West failed to overcall and a was led. The other pair in 3NT went down 2 after a 2 overcall
1 pair made 5 after a K lead followed by the A
The sole EW contract went down heavily in 5

The other point I felt was an oddity was the general reluctance of the Wests to overcall 2


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Posted 2021-July-28, 07:51

Odd indeed since 2C over 1D is one overcall I have always routinely stretched to make.
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