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Purpose of sudden 6-level bid
				
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				Posted 2020-October-19, 15:26
						I had the following hand when playing SAYC-like with a robot:
♠4 ♥108743 ♦KQJ7 ♣AQ10
Partner had
♠AQ982 ♥QJ6 ♦A ♣K875
The bidding went as follows (I opened): 1♥ (12+ HCP with 5+ hearts) - 1♠ - 2♦ (good diamond suit, no spade fit) - and then North suddenly blasted to 6♥. Of course, for the obvious reasons (missing AK of trumps), it went down 1.
So, why did North bid a slam without further investigating (Blackwood etc), since I didn't promise the strength of my heart suit (opposed to length)? Or maybe I shouldn't open with my long major being not good enough?
						
					
					
				♠4 ♥108743 ♦KQJ7 ♣AQ10
Partner had
♠AQ982 ♥QJ6 ♦A ♣K875
The bidding went as follows (I opened): 1♥ (12+ HCP with 5+ hearts) - 1♠ - 2♦ (good diamond suit, no spade fit) - and then North suddenly blasted to 6♥. Of course, for the obvious reasons (missing AK of trumps), it went down 1.
So, why did North bid a slam without further investigating (Blackwood etc), since I didn't promise the strength of my heart suit (opposed to length)? Or maybe I shouldn't open with my long major being not good enough?
				
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				Posted 2020-October-19, 16:39
						Which robot are you playing with, out of interest? Doesn't sound like a very good one.
Even GIB, the robot everyone loves to hate, bids 3♣, 4sf.
You did nothing wrong.
						
					
					
						
					
				Even GIB, the robot everyone loves to hate, bids 3♣, 4sf.
You did nothing wrong.
				
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				Posted 2020-October-19, 17:24
 trolley813, on 2020-October-19, 15:26, said:
trolley813, on 2020-October-19, 15:26, said:
So, why did North bid a slam without further investigating (Blackwood etc), since I didn't promise the strength of my heart suit (opposed to length)? Or maybe I shouldn't open with my long major being not good enough?
6H is clearly ridiculous, but the auction is a problematic one. Say North bids 3C and you bid anything other than 3D - how does North set hearts and look for slam now? Here you're going to bid 3NT, and I don't know what GIB's options are at this point.
A partnership needs good agreements to deal with a 4SF bid at the three-level, otherwise the auction may not be much more informative than the one the robot chose.
				
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				Posted 2020-October-19, 21:36
						I reckon opposite a half decent (even average) 5 card opening heart bid its not a bad attempt (very approx averagish 75% plus or minus a fair bit chance of double dummy), but even I at my lowly robot-type level like to check for some controls, and remove some of the error variance occasionally. Saadly also despite having a fairly healthy mean chance of making it the mean number of tricks is less than 12 (dont know why) Do people really expect 100% accuracy from anything human or robot 
I'm going to think twice opening a heart suit like that in future 
						
						
						
					
					
				I'm going to think twice opening a heart suit like that in future
 
						
						
				
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				Posted 2020-October-20, 15:44
						Ouch.  Robots tend to overuse point count (they double count honors + shortness).  Something to be said for rebid of 1NT with 12-14.  
Worth considering suit quality in first or second seat. It sometimes is worth while passing this hand first, although it goes against the grain playing with a real partner1
						
					
					
				Worth considering suit quality in first or second seat. It sometimes is worth while passing this hand first, although it goes against the grain playing with a real partner1
				
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				Posted 2020-October-20, 18:29
				
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				Posted 2020-October-21, 09:33
 trolley813, on 2020-October-19, 15:26, said:
trolley813, on 2020-October-19, 15:26, said:
I had the following hand when playing SAYC-like with a robot:
♠4 ♥108743 ♦KQJ7 ♣AQ10
Partner had
♠AQ982 ♥QJ6 ♦A ♣K875
The bidding went as follows (I opened): 1♥ (12+ HCP with 5+ hearts) - 1♠ - 2♦ (good diamond suit, no spade fit) - and then North suddenly blasted to 6♥. Of course, for the obvious reasons (missing AK of trumps), it went down 1.
So, why did North bid a slam without further investigating (Blackwood etc), since I didn't promise the strength of my heart suit (opposed to length)? Or maybe I shouldn't open with my long major being not good enough?
♠4 ♥108743 ♦KQJ7 ♣AQ10
Partner had
♠AQ982 ♥QJ6 ♦A ♣K875
The bidding went as follows (I opened): 1♥ (12+ HCP with 5+ hearts) - 1♠ - 2♦ (good diamond suit, no spade fit) - and then North suddenly blasted to 6♥. Of course, for the obvious reasons (missing AK of trumps), it went down 1.
So, why did North bid a slam without further investigating (Blackwood etc), since I didn't promise the strength of my heart suit (opposed to length)? Or maybe I shouldn't open with my long major being not good enough?
Playing SAYC while GIB is playing 2/1 should lead to some confusing auctions.
				
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				Posted 2020-October-23, 10:24
 Huibertus, on 2020-October-20, 03:44, said:
Huibertus, on 2020-October-20, 03:44, said:
Just a value bid. Checking for 2 missing keycards after calculating the partnershipo has the values isn't programmed I guess, the programmers don't play Bridge afterall.
Well, not all of them. I'm actually a programmer and I'm at least trying to play bridge.
	
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