[spil]

I'm not sure what 'Other ' might be:)

[eagles123]

i think for sure we have to bid 3n - preempting at these colours shows a good hand and way too often we'll miss a vul game if we pass

[Cyberyeti]

 eagles123, on 2016-August-17, 04:54, said:

i think for sure we have to bid 3n - preempting at these colours shows a good hand and way too often we'll miss a vul game if we pass

Depends on your preempting/opening style, most of the hands where game is good would be opened 1 by us. There is a serious danger that partner has say xx, x, xxx, KQJ10xxx and you lose the first 9 or 10 tricks for more than opps game which they might not have bid anyway.

[Manastorm]

Pass. Both majors are almost wide open. Opponens aren't going to lead safe and wait for you to cash 7 clubs.

[1eyedjack]

Close, but I think that it just about meets the 40% test, at least the way I play pre-empts at vul v non. Hope they don't double, mind.

[billw55]

edit: misread the situation

[Vampyr]

 spil, on 2016-August-17, 04:29, said:

I'm not sure what 'Other ' might be:)

4♣ I guess.

[The_Badger]

When I posted this comment, 5 had chosen 'Pass' and 5 had chosen '3NT' and that about sums it up. Even I cannot quite make my mind up over this.

3NT will possibly stop the opponents from balancing, but there again it could go down heavily. If you get doubled there's always 4♣ as a cop out. Pass looks wimpy but is sensible as there's no guarantee the opponents have game or will bid game, but it makes it easier for the opponents, especially non-vulnerable, to come in.

Given that pre-empts are getting flakier and flakier these days, even at adverse vulnerability, and especially in 1st position, I'm with Cyberyeti (see comment) on this one as that's a solid pre-empt, so Pass it's going to be, reluctantly.

[ggwhiz]

3nt here but only because of agreed partnership style on what a 3♣ bid looks like on this seat and vul. Needs some luck to make but very rarely goes out the door (partner has clubs with a diamond card and both majors are foul).

Fast pass playing with anyone but my regular partner.

[mike777]

3nt will run if they double.

I expect the passers are assuming a pretty poor hand from partner, the bidders a much stronger hand.

[Cyberyeti]

 mike777, on 2016-August-17, 09:32, said:

3nt will run if they double.

I expect the passers are assuming a pretty poor hand from partner, the bidders a much stronger hand.

It's not the strength assumed, but that denied, if KQJxxxx and an ace or king is a 1 opener for you, then you're shooting at a pretty narrow target if you assume R/G partner will have a decent suit.

[mike777]

 Cyberyeti, on 2016-August-17, 09:52, said:

It's not the strength assumed, but that denied, if KQJxxxx and an ace or king is a 1 opener for you, then you're shooting at a pretty narrow target if you assume R/G partner will have a decent suit.

exactly if that is a 3c bid which it is at this vul then try 3nt.


Of course if you open with KQJxxxx and an outside K that is a pretty wide ranging one level opener...

[steve2005]

If partner has outside ace and KQ♣ you have nine top
If partner has outside King or worse you either have 5 top losers in the majors or on a ♦ lead or possibly switch for -1

[Phil]

I've heard a rumor that plus scores are nice at IMPs. 3N looks incredibly spewy to me.

[spil]

Many seem to be assuming that we have 7 club tricks.
Is Kxx x Qx QJTxxxx not acceptable as an opener or Axx x xxx KJTxxx or any other number of hands where we don't have 7, or even 6, guaranteed running club tricks.
We are not cold for 3NT opposite a very sound 1 club opener eg Kxx Kx Qx KQJxxx, although we have all been in worse.
Opener actually held AT x JTxx KJT9xx...When clubs didn't come in and JH was wrong that was 5 off.
Admittedly oppos now have a very good 4H contract and no double of 3NT is possible in practice.
Nevertheless I think 3NT, if bid to actually make, is optimistic beyond words...if bid tactically then I have sympathy...vulnerability be damned.
Perhaps my standards for pre-empting are too loose:)

[billw55]

 spil, on 2016-August-17, 16:11, said:

Many seem to be assuming that we have 7 club tricks.
Is Kxx x Qx QJTxxxx not acceptable as an opener or Axx x xxx KJTxxx or any other number of hands where we don't have 7, or even 6, guaranteed running club tricks.
We are not cold for 3NT opposite a very sound 1 club opener eg Kxx Kx Qx KQJxxx, although we have all been in worse.
Opener actually held AT x JTxx KJT9xx...When clubs didn't come in and JH was wrong that was 5 off.
Admittedly oppos now have a very good 4H contract and no double of 3NT is possible in practice.
Nevertheless I think 3NT, if bid to actually make, is optimistic beyond words...if bid tactically then I have sympathy...vulnerability be damned.
Perhaps my standards for pre-empting are too loose:)

For me, at unfavorable vulnerability, opening preempts should be a solid suit and 7 cards. The actual hand does not qualify. The conclusion is that to make a good choice here, you must understand your partner's preempt style. This is unlikely to be the case with a pickup partner, so I pass.

[msjennifer]

If my partner is not too modern or too unscientific and since I am an aggressive bidder i bid 3 NT and should make it comfortably.I will stay put if doubled.If 3NT goes down I
I won't mind it and shall discuss after the deal is over.

[kenberg]

 spil, on 2016-August-17, 16:11, said:

Many seem to be assuming that we have 7 club tricks.
Is Kxx x Qx QJTxxxx not acceptable as an opener or Axx x xxx KJTxxx or any other number of hands where we don't have 7, or even 6, guaranteed running club tricks.
We are not cold for 3NT opposite a very sound 1 club opener eg Kxx Kx Qx KQJxxx, although we have all been in worse.
Opener actually held AT x JTxx KJT9xx...When clubs didn't come in and JH was wrong that was 5 off.
Admittedly oppos now have a very good 4H contract and no double of 3NT is possible in practice.
Nevertheless I think 3NT, if bid to actually make, is optimistic beyond words...if bid tactically then I have sympathy...vulnerability be damned.
Perhaps my standards for pre-empting are too loose:)

I am assuming 7 club tricks and I am bidding 3NT to make. "Assuming 7 club tricks" does not mean that I am certain, but I do regard it as very likely. Of course that only brings me up to 8. I need a little luck but I have been kind to the unfortunate and the universe owes me.

Anyway, 3NT.

And I am not that big on 3C at these colors holding Kxx x Qx QJTxxxx. If my lho plays 4H, as well he might, I don't really want partner to start the defense by laying down the club ace. Nor am I sure I want any club lead except maybe the K, and I am not so sure I want to suggest to declarer that if trumps don't split it is apt to be me who is short. I don't go ballistic if partner opens 3C on this, but as his partner I am not going to bid on the assumption that he has done so.

Partner's 3C opening makes everyone guess. I guess 3NT.

Added: I think the main danger is not the lack of nine tricks but rather that they may take the first five.

[forgo]

IMPS always 3nt

[forgo]

just read others and saw hand... player who opens 3 clubs in first seat unfav vun does not understand game!!