[tsankaR]

♠A
♥void
♦AKQ9xx
♣KQxxxx

♠KJxxx
♥Ax
♦Tx
♣ATxx

dealer south, N/S vul E/W non-vul. scoring MP. west is void in ♦

bidding is 1S-4h[west]. how to continue? should north dbl? is 4NT by north now ace asking or tell p to bid minors. Or should north bid 5c and then 5d, asking p to pick a suit

7c by south makes. 7c by north may make.
we played in 6d. 1s-4h-4nt-5d-6d. 4nt=p meant minors, i took it as ace asking

Sankar

[billw55]

I think 4NT should be pick a minor, and I would choose that.

Also south has 14 cards. edit: ok, I see you fixed that, and also altered the hands a little so that south clearly has his bid. My vote for 4NT is unchanged.

[gszes]

Realize the silliness of 4c/d bids as choices when 4h is higher.

Preempts work.

Neg x though 5s (my preferred limit) shows a pretty darn powerful minor 2 suited hand. Opener has a large club fit and while the KJ of spades are of dubious value surely the fact that we have two quick tricks (plus ruffing dia value) should be more than enough to make a positive noise rather than simply settling for a mere preference 5c. 5h (cue) showing a large (unknown) fit seems a far better idea than a mere 5c preference with our 2 quick tricks and possible ruffing value in diamonds.

Responder now bids 5n and while this is GSF it is merely asking opener for 1 of the top 3 honors in either minor to bid 7 of their preferrend trump suit.
6h follows to show the heart ace and a top minor honor (just in case 7n is reasonable) (6n would show both major aces) 7c (POC) by responder is finally passed out

[steve2005]

oops

[Phil]

Prefer 4N to be RKC after we open a major so that's not available to me. 4N is useful as a takeout over 1H (4S) or 1S (4H) but it's pointless over 1M (4m).

I'd bid 5N. If partner bids 6m I bid 7 but I'm guessing over 6S.

[billw55]

steve2005, on 2016-February-01, 10:06, said:

How can north go slamming? Sure has nice hand but a lot in ♠ and South may just have a semi-balanced minimum.
4♠X looks like the spot from North's point of view.
If 7♣ is there it is up to South to make a move.
Remember 4♠ chewed up a lot of space 7♣ wont be easy to find so don't feel disappointed.

4♠ has not been bid. Hence 4♠x is not available.

Phil, on 2016-February-01, 12:35, said:

Prefer 4N to be RKC after we open a major so that's not available to me. 4N is useful as a takeout over 1H (4S) or 1S (4H) but it's pointless over 1M (4m).

I'd bid 5N. If partner bids 6m I bid 7 but I'm guessing over 6S.

1♠(4♥) is the auction that occurred.

[nige1]

tsankaR, on 2016-February-01, 07:42, said:

Dealer south, N/S vul E/W non-vul. scoring MP.
♠ A ♥-♦ A K Q 9 x x ♣ K Q x x x x
♠ K J x x x ♥ A x ♦ T x ♣ A T x x
1♠ (4♥ ?? how to continue? should north dbl? is 4NT by north now ace asking or tell p to bid minors. Or should no rth bid 4c and then 5d, asking p to pick a suit
West is void in ♦
7♣ by south makes. 7♣ by north may make.
we played in 6♦. 1♠ (4♥) 4N-5♦-6♦. 4N = p meant minors, i took it as ace asking

tsankaR did well,

It depends on partnership agreement but I prefer

- Double = T/O.Double = T/O.
- 4N = RKC for ♠.

Although that might not work well here.
You also need to agree the meanings of

• 5♥
• 5♠ and
• 5N.

[Phil]

billw55, on 2016-February-01, 13:18, said:

1♠(4♥) is the auction that occurred.

I'm aware of that but I probably wasn't clear.

It's bad policy to assign exceptions to infrequent sequences.

So, I'm willing to trade some mild advantages here for never having an accident. 1M (4x) 4N is always RKC without exception.

[Zelandakh]

Phil, on 2016-February-01, 14:25, said:

So, I'm willing to trade some mild advantages here for never having an accident. 1M (4x) 4N is always RKC without exception.

Mikeh's agreement here is that 4NT is RKCB over 4m and 2 places over 4M and that seems to be precisely what you would like to be playing. Is that really too much more of an exception than opening 1M with 5+ and 1m with 3+? I think you are experienced enough to handle it Phil!

[tsankaR]

billw55, on 2016-February-01, 07:46, said:

I think 4NT should be pick a minor, and I would choose that.

Then what will you bid for ace asking

[fourdad]

5♦ is forcing and communicates strength AND a slam while still searching for a fit.
6♣ by S (again defining the shape and count of hand) and slam.

[Cyberyeti]

4N would ask aces for us, so I'd bid 5N. I think I'd raise 6♣ to 7.

[daffydoc]

With my regular partner at national events - Pecoks - we have an explicit agreement that 4NT on this auction is minors. So easy to bid 4NT - the problem will be to bid 7 - a problem that many might solve by blasting after 5C response( an enterprising partner might bid 6C with heart ace and 4clubs to A - then 7 is easy. daffydoc

[Caitlynne]

I think the world would assume that 4NT is some form of Blackwood. It is a high frequency use in a preemptive auction like this.

Though I don't think I have ever seen it presented as "standard and normal" in any book, I have been taught an agreement about this: 5NT for the two unbid suits, with 6H becoming the Grand Slam Force convention.

[zillahandp]

None f the list, 5hts stands out a mile.

[Cyberyeti]

zillahandp, on 2016-February-02, 09:49, said:

None f the list, 5hts stands out a mile.

To me 5♥ leaves spades more in the equation than 5N which is why I would choose 5N

[zillahandp]

Cyber if it does the i will transfer to it so 6c is the clear bid from south no risk as spades can be bid over 6c. Sry mate at this level its a guess so ask for info with 5hts how can 6c be wrong?

[zillahandp]

Oh and could 5nt be seen as a gsf in spades, possibly, hence risky

[zillahandp]

And unt after p has bid very odd system

[tsankaR]

zillahandp, on 2016-February-02, 09:49, said:

None f the list, 5hts stands out a mile.

5H denotes spades support or exclusion key card asking with spades as suit