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Has U.S. Democracy Been Trumped? Bernie Sanders wants to know who owns America?

#4241 User is offline   mike777 

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Posted 2017-January-20, 11:27

 Winstonm, on 2017-January-20, 11:19, said:

This inauguration speech is a call for fascist nationalism. Sad day.



Did not see the speech but calling for a fascist nation does not sound like a good start.


I did see where Cnn or nbc news reported yesterday that Trump is in violation of the Constitution on day one.
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Posted 2017-January-20, 11:46

 mike777, on 2017-January-20, 11:27, said:

Did not see the speech but calling for a fascist nation does not sound like a good start.


I did see where Cnn or nbc news reported yesterday that Trump is in violation of the Constitution on day one.


Inauguration speech was a call to return to isolationism and nationalism. I think Mussolini would have approved.
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Posted 2017-January-20, 11:50

Did everyone see Obama say "good job"? Pretty faint as far as praise goes.
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Posted 2017-January-20, 12:47

 Winstonm, on 2017-January-20, 11:46, said:

Inauguration speech was a call to return to isolationism and nationalism. I think Mussolini would have approved.



I think you are very unfair to the fascist Mussolini, he was not for isolationism, quite the opposite. Neither the fascist Hitler or the fascist Stalin were in favor of isolationism.

However the very famous American Hero Lindbergh was in favor of isolationism up to Pearl.
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Posted 2017-January-20, 13:02

 mike777, on 2017-January-20, 12:47, said:

I think you are very unfair to the fascist Mussolini, he was not for isolationism, quite the opposite. Neither the fascist Hitler or the fascist Stalin were in favor of isolationism.

However the very famous American Hero Lindbergh was in favor of isolationism up to Pearl.


I meant the tone of the speech.

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The speech was written by Trump personally, according to spokesman Sean Spicer, but it contained echoes of nationalist and almost authoritarian ideas favored by top advisers Steve Bannon and Steven Miller.

“At the bedrock of our politics will be a total allegiance to the United States of America, and through our loyalty to our country, we will rediscover our loyalty to each other,” Trump said. “We must speak our minds openly, debate our disagreements honestly, but always pursue solidarity. When America is united, America is totally unstoppable.”

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Posted 2017-January-20, 13:39

Just tuned on CNN and NBC news. tv screen full of massive protests in the streets of our nations capital. One news anchor used the word riot.

Not sure if this is a response to what Winston says is Trumps call for a fascist nation.

Have not heard any reports just yet if the protests or worse riots are spreading out across the country.
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Posted 2017-January-20, 13:50

Sadly this mindless violance on the streets of Washington
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Posted 2017-January-20, 14:42

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Posted 2017-January-20, 15:28

 Winstonm, on 2017-January-20, 11:19, said:

This inauguration speech is a call for fascist nationalism. Sad day.

Still, it was one of the least insane speeches he's given. He at least sounded like he understood the gravity of his new position, not like a raving lunatic.

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Posted 2017-January-20, 16:02

 barmar, on 2017-January-20, 15:28, said:

Still, it was one of the least insane speeches he's given. He at least sounded like he understood the gravity of his new position, not like a raving lunatic.


:) Did you two guys hear the same speech? :)

Calling for America to become a fascist nation seems to qualify for insane or raving lunatic.

I have not heard the speech and dont plan on listening to some fascist.
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Posted 2017-January-20, 16:06

It was a truly awful speech.
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Posted 2017-January-20, 17:49

Venezuela voted for socialism. Now they're going broke.
The government can't make everyone equally wealthy. But they sure can make everyone equally poor. Your assets will be seized and the poor wont see it. It happened in China with communism.

Bruce Springsteen and Beyonce both made over $250,000,000 last year. If the progressive left had their way, most of that money would go to the government. Yao Ming didn't get to keep all his earnings. Under socialism you wealthy guys would be expected to share your excess assets.
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Posted 2017-January-20, 17:52

 kenberg, on 2017-January-20, 16:06, said:

It was a truly awful speech.

You guys just don't get it. In 2018 democrats will lose more seats.
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Posted 2017-January-20, 18:07

 jogs, on 2017-January-20, 17:52, said:

You guys just don't get it. In 2018 democrats will lose more seats.


n the Senate? Almost certainly

I suspect that they will pick up seats in the House...
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Posted 2017-January-20, 18:22

If he spends massively on infrastructure, the economy will re-ignite and all will be better off.
If corporations remain "people", then giving the power back to them might well be classic fascism.
Trump removing the "climate" action plan is starting with the worst first. Very promising.
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Posted 2017-January-20, 20:18

What's the betting market odds on war with Mexico by 2025? I'll take anything better than 8:1.
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Posted 2017-January-21, 08:02

 kenberg, on 2017-January-20, 16:06, said:

It was a truly awful speech.


 jogs, on 2017-January-20, 17:52, said:

You guys just don't get it. In 2018 democrats will lose more seats.

Yesterday was a busy day and my one sentence was a quick reaction right after watched the speech on my computer. I'll say a bit more and refer to a couple of other evaluations.
First from George Will
Part of it:

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Twenty minutes into his presidency, Donald Trump, who is always claiming to have made, or to be about to make, astonishing history, had done so. Living down to expectations, he had delivered the most dreadful inaugural address in history.

Kellyanne Conway, Trump's White House counselor, had promised that the speech would be "elegant." This is not the adjective that came to mind as he described "American carnage." That was a phrase the likes of which has never hitherto been spoken at an inauguration.



Noe from Robert Samuelson

Again I take a sample:

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The question that swirls around Donald Trump's inaugural address is whether his aggressively pronounced policy of America First will actually result in America Last — not literally last, but declining in power and prestige because the United States no longer views its role in the world as promoting economic and geopolitical stability for our allies.

Instead, he imagines a world in which the United States takes what it can and worries about others only as an afterthought. What does he expect other countries to do? The answer is obvious. They will act more aggressively in their own selfish interests, leading to a further disintegration of post-World War II economic and political alliances.


Neither of these guys would be considered a lefty, but they perhaps could be cast as part of the dreaded elite. Well, I have been called many things but nobody ever described me as elite so now I will say a bit.

I saw the speech as simultaneously belligerent, whiny and unrealistic, pretty much for the reasons Will and Samuelson cite.

Simple case: I like blackberries and blueberries, and strawberries to a lesser extent. At least in the winter, the ones I buy come from, well, from somewhere else. Peru maybe Or Mexico sometimes. Buy American? Gotta give up those winter blueberries. Who cares about blueberries, you ask? Sure, but a very long list could be made with blueberries being replaced by anything from clothing to cars. We are really going to buy American? To whatever extent this has a meaning rather than being a stupid provocative slogan that will prompt trouble with our friends, what the hell does it mean?

Jobs: I'm from Minnesota, an uncle worked in the iron mines, as did my first wife's father. Many of the mines closed. This was not because of stupid decisions in Washington, corrupt elites, or nasty foreigners, this was because the iron ran out. My father installed weatherstripping, sometimes in lived-in houses, sometimes he contracted with construction companies that were building new homes. The latter was far preferable. Toward the end of his working life the jobs with the construction companies began to disappear due to changing technology. Well, he coped. But the important thing is that the changes he had to cope with had nothing to do with elites, with Washington, or with foreigners. Trump has has had virtually nothing to say about what seems to me to be the real problems with jobs. He brings out his list of villains and the faithful cheer.

I could go on but you get the idea. I think Donald Trump's interest in the working man begins and ends with how he can use the issue to get votes. He knows little and cares less. You say I don't get it. I think I get it very well, I just don't like it.
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Posted 2017-January-21, 10:02

Here is another evaluation.
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones -- Albert Einstein
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Posted 2017-January-21, 16:03

From Dan Rather's Facebook post:

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We are already seeing a more emboldened Democratic party than I have witnessed in ages. It is being fueled by a fervent energy bubbling from the grassroots up, rather than the top down.

That certainly describes the scene here on 42nd Street in Manhattan this afternoon. What a good feeling.
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Posted 2017-January-21, 17:27

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By Julie Pace and Jill Colvin ASSOCIATED PRESS JANUARY 21, 2017

LANGLEY, Va. — President Donald Trump moved to mend his tumultuous relationship with America’s spy agencies Saturday, traveling to CIA headquarters on his first full day in office and assuring officials, ‘‘I am so behind you.’’

But the president quickly shifted from praise for the CIA to criticism of media coverage of Inauguration Day, in an unscripted address that overstated the size of the crowd that gathered on the National Mall as he took the oath of office. Trump said throngs ‘‘went all the way back to the Washington monument,’’ despite photos and live video showing the crowd stopping well short of the landmark.


The president’s media criticism came as he stood in front of a memorial honoring CIA officers killed while serving the United States.


This latest tirade against the media depicting reality rather than Trump-vision exemplifies a psychological illness so significant as to make this man unfit for office.
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