Is there any way to do this legally Illusory UI
#1
Posted 2015-March-30, 12:09
Partner will alert my bid, opps will ask and it will look like I've been woken up by the UI.
Is there anything I can do to protect myself - normal F2F bridge with no screens.
#2
Posted 2015-March-30, 12:12
#4
Posted 2015-March-30, 12:48
#5
Posted 2015-March-30, 12:49
Cyberyeti, on 2015-March-30, 12:09, said:
Pick your oppo or TD!
If you told me "I knew what I was doing when I bid <whatever>, I knew what the agreement was, as partner correctly explained, my bid was a psyche" - I would probably believe you.
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#6
Posted 2015-March-30, 13:00
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#7
Posted 2015-March-30, 13:01
RMB1, on 2015-March-30, 12:49, said:
If you told me "I knew what I was doing when I bid <whatever>, I knew what the agreement was, as partner correctly explained, my bid was a psyche" - I would probably believe you.
Is that because it's me and you know I do that sort of thing ? because it seems an obvious way to cheat.
The hand in question was something like x, A10x, 109xx, AKxxx and the auction started red v green 1(precision)♥-(1S)- I had no fit jump available and was prepared to bet I was going to get 4♠ on my left, I felt I was better off after a 3♣ mixed raise as either a) partner would bid 5♥ on his own and I would bid 6 or b) partner would pass and I'd bid 5♣. I thought it was more difficult to disentangle if I bid the technically correct 2♠.
#9
Posted 2015-March-30, 13:27
Cyberyeti, on 2015-March-30, 13:02, said:
It might not be. Partner can see what you are doing, and that might be illegal communication if you have ever done it before.
#10
Posted 2015-March-30, 13:27
Cyberyeti, on 2015-March-30, 13:02, said:
I don't think it is.
#11
Posted 2015-March-30, 14:12
Of course, it might not be very useful, because the TD might not give it any weight.
#12
Posted 2015-March-30, 14:43
gnasher, on 2015-March-30, 14:12, said:
Which, the writing or the bid?
#13
Posted 2015-March-30, 16:48
Vampyr, on 2015-March-30, 14:43, said:
Whichever one you think is illegal.
#14
Posted 2015-March-30, 17:46
gnasher, on 2015-March-30, 16:48, said:
Well, the bid is not Illegal, but since it will appear that the OP was woken up by partner's explanation the OP will be ruled against.
As for the writing, it is irregular and can be considered a form of communication.
#15
Posted 2015-March-30, 20:56
Vampyr, on 2015-March-30, 17:46, said:
So is picking your nose (or coughing ).
The fact that something can be considered a form of communication neither means that it will be considered a form of communication nor that it is a form of communication*.
Rik
* And by "communication" we mean "illegal communication with partner". Writing such s statement for the TD on your score card is obviously communication with the TD, but communicating with the TD is not illegal.
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#16
Posted 2015-March-30, 21:04
Trinidad, on 2015-March-30, 20:56, said:
The fact that something can be considered a form of communication neither means that it will be considered a form of communication nor that it is a form of communication*.
Rik
* And by "communication" we mean "illegal communication with partner". Writing such s statement for the TD on your score card is obviously communication with the TD, but communicating with the TD is not illegal.
The fact that you are writing communicates to partner (no screens) that you are memorializing something. The fact that you are doing so at that moment communicates that you are noting something about the auction.
#17
Posted 2015-March-30, 21:50
aguahombre, on 2015-March-30, 21:04, said:
Or that it suddenly occurred to you that you want to "memorialize" something about the previous hand, or write down something you need to remember to pick up for dinner.
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#18
Posted 2015-March-30, 21:54
blackshoe, on 2015-March-30, 21:50, said:
OK, but how often does it happen? Seldom enough, I think, that writing during an auction can reasonably be assumed to be writing about the auction.
#19
Posted 2015-March-31, 01:46
Vampyr, on 2015-March-30, 17:46, said:
As for the writing, it is irregular and can be considered a form of communication.
An irregularity is not, in general, illegal.
Communication with partner by writing on your scorecard is illegal. If, however, Cyberyeti finds a way to follow his procedure without such communication, his actions are legal.
#20
Posted 2015-March-31, 11:06
However, I don't think this kind of prepared explanation is generally considered a legitimate process. For instance, I think people have in the past proposed something like this as a way of proving "I was always going to bid X" when you sense that you may get into a hesitation situation, but I've never heard of it actually being used.
The only place I ever saw it actually suggested as a real feature of the game was in the book "Bridge at the Enigma Club", but that was a fantasy.