[eagles123]

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imps on bbo

what is best here?

thanks

Eagles

[Trinidad]

Our preempts tend to be pretty pure, even in third seat, and not hands of opening strength that contain a lot of spades.

That means that I expect my partner to have ♠KQJxxxxx and little outside. I would guess RHO can make 5♦, but not 6♦ (but probably 6♥ will make), and we will be down 2 in 5♠. So, I would bid 5♠.

(Of course, I hope he has ♠QJT9xxxx♥Axx♦x♣x. )

Rik

[Wackojack]

A lot depends on partner's style of opening 4's. There appears to me to be a real danger of only 1 defensive trick in the rounded suits and opps having a spade void. So 5♠not expecting to make it.

[billw55]

Looks like a guessing game. With four trumps to an honor and a side ace, I prefer to err on the side of bidding, so 5♠. On a good day we make a double game swing. On a bad day we push them to 6♦ making.

[ArtK78]

Question for the 5♠ bidders - what are you going to do over 6 of a red suit?

This is a very difficult guess. I suspect that I would bid 5♠, and I have not yet answered my own question. I might take the push to 6♠ over 6 red. The opps may have 14 red suit winners - the only question is how many quick losers they have.

We may have 10-11 tricks in spades. 6♠x may be cheap insurance.

The fact that LHO is a passed hand may give you some comfort that 5♠ could end the auction. But there are no guarantees.

[Trinidad]

ArtK78, on 2014-July-16, 06:36, said:

Question for the 5♠ bidders - what are you going to do over 6 of a red suit?

I don't think 6♦ will make. I expect hearts to split relatively evenly and club losers do not disappear. In addition it is possible that we will score 2 trump tricks. So, I will pass.

6♥ is a different question. Now club losers can be thrown on the diamond suit. However, the question what to do over 6♥ has very little relation to what to do over 5♦. If the opponents manage to get to 6♥ after my 5♠ bid, they would have gotten there without my 5♠ bid too.

Rik

[billw55]

West passed and east did not make a two-places call. If they manage to reach 6♥ now, and it is the right spot, then I nominate them for bidders of the year.

6♦ on the other hand, is a very realistic possibility. I will defend hoping to beat it, but it's a tough call and anything could be right.

[wank]

to the people worried about defending 6, you do see you've got 4 diamonds, right? the chances of the opps bidding 6 are somewhere in the region of 0.

as to what to bid, I double and lead spades. i expect this to get forced off. who knows how many tricks we can make in spades? partner's 3rd in, we shouldn't be expecting a very pure hand.

[whereagles]

3rd seat preempts are pretty random.

Dbl. This can range from an overtrick to 3 down

[relknes]

5♠x, probably down 1, against their likely to make game in 5♦.

[Trinidad]

whereagles, on 2014-July-16, 10:24, said:

3rd seat preempts are pretty random.

Dbl. This can range from an overtrick to 3 down

That is true, but not all with equal probability.

Rik

[Neeresh]

eagles123, on 2014-July-16, 03:27, said:

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imps on bbo

what is best here?

thanks

Eagles

Answer depends on what your partnership bidding agreements are. That is, how you bid your preemptive openings such as this one. Normally rule of 234 is followed. So if partner has bid with 4 losers NV vs V and with 8 cards in Spades. She certainly have some defensive values also in order to decrease the loser count. Looking at your hand with 2 Quick tricks and a loser count, 5D double will go down certainly.

[Fluffy]

Last time I didn't raise partner's 4M opening with 3 trump support it was a disaster, not raising with 4 seems ludicrous to me. Obviously it gotta be the winner or else this wouldn't be a problem.

[baraka]

5 ♠ (not expecting to make) and leave them the last guess ! If they bid 6, they had the last guess ! Leave it at that ! IMHO !

[lrussell]

Unlikely but I might beat 5D when partner has
KQJ10xxx
xxx
10
xx

or be unable to beat 6D when partner has
KQJ10xxxx
xxx
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xx

Partner has forced them to guess at the 5 level.
I'm not going to rescue them or push them to a making slam.
-600 or -620 won't score all that badly compared with -500 in 5S doubled. (minus 3 imps - no big deal)

[operator]

Wackojack, on 2014-July-16, 03:50, said:

A lot depends on partner's style of opening 4's. There appears to me to be a real danger of only 1 defensive trick in the rounded suits and opps having a spade void. So 5♠not expecting to make it.

Full support!

[eagles123]

thanks folks for the answers. I thought for quite a long time for bbo standards and ended up just passing. I thought x was too risky and 5S could be a phantom. I probably should've done one or the other and took the wimps option

anyway full hand - why he bid 5d i have no idea

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Eagles

[BruceZhu]

I think that passing should be correct here, as you should leave the decision to partner. He might have a big spade hand, which he himself would bid 5♠ but he might choose to double 5♦ if he has a feature.

[Cascade]

eagles123, on 2014-July-18, 05:57, said:

thanks folks for the answers. I thought for quite a long time for bbo standards and ended up just passing. I thought x was too risky and 5S could be a phantom. I probably should've done one or the other and took the wimps option

anyway full hand - why he bid 5d i have no idea

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Eagles

I think your partner's 5♠ should not be allowed given your long thought. To me it is a violation of law 73 failing to carefully avoid taking advantage of unauthorised information.

[Wackojack]

Yes very naughty of your partner. A typical BBO auction. Looks like he can make this if he guesses the position of the rounded Queens. My guess as it is BBO that declarer didnt and went off.