[aguahombre]

CSGibson, on 2013-October-29, 11:38, said:

Our meta-rule in partnership trust situations is that exceptional bids are reserved for exceptional hands - hands where partner will have trouble making a final decision if we pass the buck. I might only have 6 hearts for a weak jump overcall (though at these colors that is infrequent), so an eighth heart may be enough for me to make an exceptional bid.

Oh, I agree..as previously stated. My pard would understand 4NT as a bid within discipline as well -- what just asking about your rapport.

[jogs]

rhm, on 2013-October-29, 05:27, said:

In spite of unanimous Pass I consider 4NT a good bid. An expert knows when to violate Bridge rules. Assuming a reasonable partner you know at least about a ten card fit.

It is very easy to construct hands where 4♠ and 4NT are laydown.
For example:

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Note, I have given East a doubtful hand for 4♠, which is not particularly freaky.

Rainer Herrmann

Pass. Pard can bid 4NT himself. Don't bid his hand for him.

[aguahombre]

jogs, on 2013-October-30, 15:22, said:

Pass. Pard can bid 4NT himself. Don't bid his hand for him.

That's interesting. You are the one who has 8 hearts instead of seven. Is there a card in the box which says, "Pass, but I have an extra trick you didn't know about."? I am sure you won't be breaking tempo to suggest that.

[cherdano]

I would have bid 4♥ the first time, otherwise I agree with every single point Rainer made.

[CSGibson]

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I think I failed twice by not bidding 4N initially, and after partner doubled. Partner did not play me for 8 hearts, so she wound up letting this make by hoping I had a singleton diamond instead of playing for the actual layout.

[nige1]

rhm, on 2013-October-29, 05:27, said:

NAOP, Matchpoints
In spite of unanimous Pass I consider 4NT a good bid. An expert knows when to violate Bridge rules. Assuming a reasonable partner you know at least about a ten card fit. It is very easy to construct hands where 4♠ and 4NT are laydown.
For example:
Note, I have given ... a doubtful hand for 4♠, which is not particularly freaky.

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Agree with rhm and rogerclee: 4N = 10, 5♥ = 9, Pass = 8.
Over RHO's 1♠, a 4♥ overcall was a sensible alternative but the actual auction seems to have turned out OK.

[benlessard]

I think 3H is the only bid its a 6.5 losers hand that is going -800 way too often.

With AJ8 in H doubling 4S instead of bidding 4NT/5H is just a gross mistake.

Did you lead a D ? If not you cannot really be stiff in D.

[CSGibson]

benlessard, on 2013-November-05, 14:31, said:

I think 3H is the only bid its a 6.5 losers hand that is going -800 way too often.

With AJ8 in H doubling 4S instead of bidding 4NT/5H is just a gross mistake.

Did you lead a D ? If not you cannot really be stiff in D.

I strongly disagree with all of your points. lets call an 8 card suit with 2 of the top 3 1 loser, making this 6 losers - I wasn't really worried about 800, but I was worried about 200 vs a partscore - its easier to double and leave in the double for 4H than 3H.

Doubling 4S is a matchpoint decision - partner knows I am conservative in my preempts when vul, and expects me to have some compensating value...which I did, but they were not defensive in nature.

I would frequently lead a high heart instead of a singleton in these auctions because I expect that I will know what to do when dummy hits - if I lead a high heart, I can still switch to my singleton; partner rates to have entries outside of hearts.

[benlessard]

Sorry for point one or two I didnt notice it was MP, at MP I can understand 4H but I still think 3H is better.

however not leading a stiff here is really atrocious.