Agree, this deal is a textbook advertisement for using lebensohl in such situations. West wants to show his extra strength, but has no easy natural bid to do so.
Using simple methods, 3♦ could be bid with zero points - this makes it hard for east to make a good decision. TylerE's auction is somewhat simple, although N/B players may not recognize the stopper ask. Perhaps simplest of all is for west to bid 2NT (natural) which should show a stopper and modest values. The hand is not ideal for this, but it might be the best you can do with N/B level methods. At least with ♠Axx there is a good chance of isolating south's spades by holding up twice.
Anyway, both east's 4♠ and west's final pass are bad bids.
Who Goofed?
#22
Posted 2013-August-28, 04:00
East's initial double is fine. West's 3♦ bid is OK too; though west has quite maximum values for the bid, but the weakness of the suit warrants some cautiousness.
East's 4♠ is a strange bid. The normal standard meaning for the bid is a control in spades (probably first round control even) and slam-going, establishing diamonds as trumps. Note that east doesn't have the promised control.
West's pass of 4♠ is absurd. West actually has a magnificent hand now, with 2 aces. A jump to 6♦ is the simple bid, but it's reasonable to try for the grand slam here, since east is promising a massive hand (inviting slam opposite a possible zero point hand). Still, seeing all hands it feels like a bit of result oriented argument. Just bid 6♦ at this point.
I would prefer this auction:
2♠ - p - p dbl
p - 3♦ - p - 3♠
p - 3NT - p - 4♣ (now a club cue with diamonds as trumps)
p - 4♥ - p - 5♦
p - 6♦
East's 4♠ is a strange bid. The normal standard meaning for the bid is a control in spades (probably first round control even) and slam-going, establishing diamonds as trumps. Note that east doesn't have the promised control.
West's pass of 4♠ is absurd. West actually has a magnificent hand now, with 2 aces. A jump to 6♦ is the simple bid, but it's reasonable to try for the grand slam here, since east is promising a massive hand (inviting slam opposite a possible zero point hand). Still, seeing all hands it feels like a bit of result oriented argument. Just bid 6♦ at this point.
I would prefer this auction:
2♠ - p - p dbl
p - 3♦ - p - 3♠
p - 3NT - p - 4♣ (now a club cue with diamonds as trumps)
p - 4♥ - p - 5♦
p - 6♦
Frans Buijsen
Haarlem, The Netherlands
Haarlem, The Netherlands
#23
Posted 2013-August-28, 04:15
East's 4♠ was probably a misclick.
West got confused and lost their mind.
As to the theory, after a fourth seat double, I play 2NT as natural, showing nominally 8-11 points. The reason is that our most common hand-type on this particular auction is a moderate hand with something in their suit (since there was no raise). So it would go:
P X
2NT 3♣
3♦ 4♦
4♥ 5♣(East could Blackwood, but it's a bad habit with two losers in spades - pards stopper is sometimes JTxx)
5♠ 6♦
This should get you a good result. East can't underwrite seven, since West could be 4252, so there is no parking space for the heart loser.
West got confused and lost their mind.
As to the theory, after a fourth seat double, I play 2NT as natural, showing nominally 8-11 points. The reason is that our most common hand-type on this particular auction is a moderate hand with something in their suit (since there was no raise). So it would go:
P X
2NT 3♣
3♦ 4♦
4♥ 5♣(East could Blackwood, but it's a bad habit with two losers in spades - pards stopper is sometimes JTxx)
5♠ 6♦
This should get you a good result. East can't underwrite seven, since West could be 4252, so there is no parking space for the heart loser.
#25
Posted 2013-September-01, 09:04
The villain in this deal was most definitely East. If you make a bid that partner doesn't understand the
meaning of,it's YOUR FAULT. In a strange or casual partnership,I always try to play as simple a system as
possible. This is especially important if the partner is a beginner/novice.
meaning of,it's YOUR FAULT. In a strange or casual partnership,I always try to play as simple a system as
possible. This is especially important if the partner is a beginner/novice.
"It is not enough to be a good player, you must also play well"
- Dr Tarrasch(1862-1934)German Chess Grandmaster
Bridge is a game where you have two opponents...and often three(!)
"Any palooka can take tricks with Aces and Kings; the true expert shows his prowess
by how he handles the two's and three's" - Mollo's Hideous Hog
- Dr Tarrasch(1862-1934)German Chess Grandmaster
Bridge is a game where you have two opponents...and often three(!)
"Any palooka can take tricks with Aces and Kings; the true expert shows his prowess
by how he handles the two's and three's" - Mollo's Hideous Hog