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slam lead
#1
Posted 2013-July-19, 12:06
♠KJxxxx
♥109xx
♦xx
♣x
(4NT)-pass-(6♦)-all pass
4NT is minors, they are favourable.
your turn.
♥109xx
♦xx
♣x
(4NT)-pass-(6♦)-all pass
4NT is minors, they are favourable.
your turn.
#2
Posted 2013-July-19, 12:09
♣
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#4
Posted 2013-July-19, 13:00
Edited. A spade lead is not unreasonable. A decision has to be made. What are the odds that partner has the ♣A and can give me a ruff or, alternatively, the ♦A and can give me a ruff as opposed to the odds that we can cash or set up a spade trick which will cash before partner's hypothetical trump trick is dislooged.
I can't really decide between a club and a spade.
I can't really decide between a club and a spade.
#5
Posted 2013-July-19, 14:42
I'd lead a club, as the easiest way to beat the contract.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
#6
Posted 2013-July-19, 16:38
♣. A spade lead is too much of a parlay - it says either partner has the spade ace and another trick, or that there is a losing 2nd round spade and no ability to pitch it on hearts. I don't see that as particularly likely - not only does our length make it more likely that North has spade shortage, but South would be far less likely to bid 6 off 2 quicks in a major, I think - at least, it would give me pause.
a club has the benefit of having a clear path to defeating the contract, with the risk of maybe killing partner's 3rd round club trick. Oh well.
a club has the benefit of having a clear path to defeating the contract, with the risk of maybe killing partner's 3rd round club trick. Oh well.
Chris Gibson
#7
Posted 2013-July-19, 16:54
Fluffy, on 2013-July-19, 12:06, said:
♠ K J x x x x ♥10 9 x x ♦ x x ♣ x
(4NT)-pass-(6♦)-all pass. 4NT is minors, they are favourable.
(4NT)-pass-(6♦)-all pass. 4NT is minors, they are favourable.
#8
Posted 2013-July-20, 03:53
4NT minors. Hmmm, that's unlikely to be done without 6-6 distribution, I would think, but it would be nice to know for sure.
Anyway, a club looks like the best chance for two tricks. Trying to grab a major suit trick looks like a mugs game.
Anyway, a club looks like the best chance for two tricks. Trying to grab a major suit trick looks like a mugs game.
#9
Posted 2013-July-20, 05:18
I am with those who leads ♣
But hard to hit the right lead when the hand is posted in BBF, especially in "interesting hands" Leading your stiff vs a suit slam ? Naaa it would not make its way to here if that was the case. More likely we are cashing 2 fast spade tricks.(which is possible if you hit the ♠ A with your pd, 4NT opener has 2 spades and 6♦ bidder was gambling/hoping for non spade lead or expecting hispd to have it, while club lead needs pd to hold any minor ace for success.
But hard to hit the right lead when the hand is posted in BBF, especially in "interesting hands" Leading your stiff vs a suit slam ? Naaa it would not make its way to here if that was the case. More likely we are cashing 2 fast spade tricks.(which is possible if you hit the ♠ A with your pd, 4NT opener has 2 spades and 6♦ bidder was gambling/hoping for non spade lead or expecting hispd to have it, while club lead needs pd to hold any minor ace for success.
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"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#10
Posted 2013-July-20, 05:48
MrAce, on 2013-July-20, 05:18, said:
I am with those who leads ♣
But hard to hit the right lead when the hand is posted in BBF, especially in "interesting hands" Leading your stiff vs a suit slam ? Naaa it would not make its way to here if that was the case. More likely we are cashing 2 fast spade tricks.(which is possible if you hit the ♠ A with your pd, 4NT opener has 2 spades and 6♦ bidder was gambling/hoping for non spade lead or expecting hispd to have it, while club lead needs pd to hold any minor ace for success.
But hard to hit the right lead when the hand is posted in BBF, especially in "interesting hands" Leading your stiff vs a suit slam ? Naaa it would not make its way to here if that was the case. More likely we are cashing 2 fast spade tricks.(which is possible if you hit the ♠ A with your pd, 4NT opener has 2 spades and 6♦ bidder was gambling/hoping for non spade lead or expecting hispd to have it, while club lead needs pd to hold any minor ace for success.
Wrong post for your logic, here I led a spade and let it make when partner had ♦A and some useless honors in the majors (♥KQ I think). Dummy had ♦K10xxxx ♣AK10xxx.
But had you posted this logic on the pitch or finesse hand you would had triumph , pitch goes down there.
#11
Posted 2013-July-20, 09:58
Fluffy, on 2013-July-20, 05:48, said:
Wrong post for your logic, here I led a spade and let it make when partner had ♦A and some useless honors in the majors (♥KQ I think). Dummy had ♦K10xxxx ♣AK10xxx.
But had you posted this logic on the pitch or finesse hand you would had triumph , pitch goes down there.
But had you posted this logic on the pitch or finesse hand you would had triumph , pitch goes down there.
Well.....i knew one of these days someone will post a problem where the most likely winning action is actually the winning action in "interesting hands" section. So that should be it I was wrong in my previous assumption, i owe you a beer or 2 when we meet
"Genius has its own limitations, however stupidity has no such boundaries!"
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
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