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#1 User is offline   chasetb 

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Posted 2013-July-13, 21:11



Chicago-style, if you don't know what that is assume teams. I'll give a few options in spoliers.

If you X,
Spoiler


If you Pass,
Spoiler


If you bid 1NT,
Spoiler


The full hand is here:
Spoiler

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Posted 2013-July-13, 21:18

1NT, and accept the transfer. I would have no temptation to pass on:

(1C) 1N (P) 2D
(X)..since pass would deny three hearts but also deny a diamond stopper.

I guess we weren't told what the double of 2D meant in their world. In my world, it is not a takeout of diamonds unless 2D was natural. HUM comes to mind.
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Posted 2013-July-13, 22:36

My option is not even there - 1S
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Posted 2013-July-13, 22:42

prefer 1nt and then 2h not pass.

option2=1s
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Posted 2013-July-14, 01:15

LHO is the one who doubles after the transfer, and I am happy to play 2♥X.

My first reaction was to bid 1♠, but 1NT is close so don't mind 1♠ is not there.
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Posted 2013-July-14, 02:18

I would pass initially (don't like a 1♠ overcall with such a strong hand on a 4 card suit), and Dbl afterwards showing my distribution (couldn't Dbl over 1♣, so short ♥ with ♣ tolerance).
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Posted 2013-July-14, 02:58

Pass, then show the hand on the next round. We actually have a choice of ways to do this: we could either double 1♥ or bid 1♠. I think 1♠ shows 4 spades and 5+ clubs, whereas double implies support for all three suits. I'd bid 1♠.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2013-July-14, 03:02

Now that I've looked at the full hand, I don't agree with your predictions about the auctions. If I double, partner will bid a lot more than 1♥. If I pass and LHO bids 1♦, partner will bid his hearts at some level (I like 2♥, but 1♥ is normal).
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2013-July-14, 06:31

I like 4♥ over double, double fit, good suits and partner's strength sits over opener. Perhaps after 1♦ we can downgrade a bit
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Posted 2013-July-14, 13:46

I would pass then x then likely get rich.

And gnasher is right, partner should bid 1H or maybe 2H over 1C-p-1D.
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Posted 2013-July-14, 14:57

 chasetb, on 2013-July-13, 21:11, said:

Chicago-style, if you don't know what that is assume teams. I'll give a few options in spoliers.
If you X,
Spoiler

If you Pass,
Spoiler

If you bid 1NT,
Spoiler
The full hand is here:
Spoiler
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IMO
  • Immediately over RHO's (1♣), Pass = 10, 1♠ = 8, 1N = 6, Double = 4.
  • Now, after (1♣) Pass (1♦) Pass (1♥), Double = 10, 1♠ = 5.

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Posted 2013-July-14, 15:28

Wouldn't have thought it would be this popular but I like passing at this vul a lot.
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Posted 2013-July-14, 16:22

 the hog, on 2013-July-13, 22:36, said:

My option is not even there - 1S


Ditto
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Posted 2013-July-14, 18:03

At these colors I prefer pass since we will not have a game if p cannot
act over 1c p p. If the bidding goes that way I think I would prefer the opps
being in 1C than any other denomination. Lots of easy rebids if the auction
does not die at 1c.
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Posted 2013-July-14, 20:07

When I posted it I meant to add in 1♠, but in a rush to make it to bed to do Vugraph today in the morning I simply forgot to include it.
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Posted 2013-July-15, 08:38

 aguahombre, on 2013-July-13, 21:18, said:

I guess we weren't told what the double of 2D meant in their world. In my world, it is not a takeout of diamonds unless 2D was natural. HUM comes to mind.

I cannot believe you have not seen this method before: Double = takeout of diamonds; ask and double = takeout of hearts. Some play the direct double as showing diamonds instead. More generally, are we really better placed after (1♣) - P - (1♦) - 1♥; (P) than having started with a 1NT overcall? In my world, passing the double of the transfer just shows <3 hearts without the extra stopper-denying requirement.
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Posted 2013-July-15, 11:31

 Zelandakh, on 2013-July-15, 08:38, said:

I cannot believe you have not seen this method before: Double = takeout of diamonds; ask and double = takeout of hearts.

For the uninitiated, he should have provided a smiley face.
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