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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2013-July-13, 06:24


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Posted 2013-July-13, 06:35

3c is pretty bad. Minimum hcp, only 5 clubs and a weak spade holding.
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Posted 2013-July-13, 07:18

Both actions are horrendous.

3♣ has a lot of strikes against it - 5-card suit, bad pips, good defence, poor playing strength, terrible spade holding, shortage in other major.

3NT is is slightly less bad - no honour in clubs, wrong spade holding, minimum values. To be fair, West was already out of winning options. Sometimes 3NT is not much worse a contract than 3♣ and it is rarely doubled.
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Posted 2013-July-13, 07:51

Preempts sometime work. This is one of those times.

Passing 2♠ or 3♣ both carry risk. The only clue is East has heart shortness and spade length and partner didn't take any action when he is odds on short in spades and long in hearts and didn't bid, which might suggest the best option is to pass two spades in the balancing seat. So if I were to assign any blame, it would have to be primarily to East.
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Posted 2013-July-13, 09:02

Preempts work more often when we make bad choices against them. The West hand is pretty much the expectation when 2♠ has been passed to East. East should only act if he knows partner forgot to act.
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Posted 2013-July-13, 09:49

East 100%, clear pass to me
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Posted 2013-July-13, 11:13

100% to South for a truly effective preempt. Kept E-W out of good 3D contract.
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Posted 2013-July-13, 15:07

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jxx of spades and x of hearts....partner obviously has a bag of crap if he can't bid when you have those.
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Posted 2013-July-13, 17:16

View Postwank, on 2013-July-13, 15:07, said:

partner obviously has a bag of crap if he can't bid.


Or we want to get them down/try defending at 2♠.

3NT is also a little too much. Why didn't West bid 3♥? Not that it would get them to a much better spot but 3NT is too one-sided. I'd say East 75, West 25.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2013-July-14, 17:37

As Billy Eisenberg once said to Eddie Kantar after a disaster, "That's ok, we deserve each other". 3♣ and 3nt were both WAY out there.
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Posted 2013-July-15, 17:40

Agree with the consensus, East's 3 ♣ call is risky.

That being said, West has no business bidding 3 NT over the 3 ♣ bid.
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Posted 2013-July-15, 18:03

3♣ is awful. I don't like 3N either, but it all started with the horrible 3♣ call.
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Posted 2013-July-15, 19:12

Guess I'm the only one who would not pass a 3C balance heh. I dunno, looks like partner has spade length and balanced, and the CT can be a filler, calling it a non honor seems wrong... and the ST can be useful if partner has the Q. Partner can be pretty heavy if he doesn't have heart length and has spade length. And as PK said, a lot of the time 3N and 3C are about equal, 3N just has more upside (ofc it has the downside of -300 sometimes).

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Balancing with 3C is bad obviously.
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Posted 2013-July-15, 20:41

3 C is poor. I would bid 3H over 3C.
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Posted 2013-July-15, 21:44

Of course, Justin would not pass a 3C balance in this situation. His partner will not have that hand.
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Posted 2013-July-16, 07:27

I thought that passing 3 clubs is ridicolous..., so no, I do not deserve East.
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Posted 2013-July-17, 02:58

Imo: 3♣ 75%, 3NT 25%.
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