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#1 User is offline   gnasher 

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Posted 2013-May-05, 02:56



You've shown a minumum opening with spades and diamonds. Partner showed a balancedish game-force then suggested 3NT.

LHO leads Q and RHO encourages. Plan the play.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2013-May-05, 03:18

4S looks better than 3NT. How about a plan to lose 3 spades and no diamond or 2S and 1 or no diamond.

A, A, 2 to Ace, 2.
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Posted 2013-May-05, 03:27

Tapping line ends up requiring many things including K onside, just playing trumps as aguahombre suggests looks better.
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Posted 2013-May-05, 04:59

View Postaguahombre, on 2013-May-05, 03:18, said:

4S looks better than 3NT. How about a plan to lose 3 spades and no diamond or 2S and 1 or no diamond.

A, A, 2 to Ace, 2.

LHO wins and plays a club.
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Posted 2013-May-05, 07:25

View Postcherdano, on 2013-May-05, 04:59, said:

LHO wins and plays a club.

Diamond hook when we have to take the club king. If it loses, then we can take a tap and hope for spades 3-3. Or maybe LHO won with his dub King of spades.

Go down if Spades 3-3 and LHO ducks with QXXX of Diamonds offside ---unless RHO's third spade was the King and LHO still has a Club.
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Posted 2013-May-05, 08:48

View Postcherdano, on 2013-May-05, 04:59, said:

LHO wins and plays a club.


That's not a problem but RHO returning a diamond might be.
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Posted 2013-May-05, 09:17

View PostFluffy, on 2013-May-05, 03:27, said:

Tapping line ends up requiring many things including K onside, just playing trumps as aguahombre suggests looks better.

To be fair, the tap line also seems to work with the trump King offside, if exactly KXXX QJXX QXX XX is behind me. and I guessed to ruff the fourth heart instead of a club..or KXXX QJX QXX XXX behind and I guess to ruff the club before my exit.
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Posted 2013-May-06, 03:28

View Postaguahombre, on 2013-May-05, 09:17, said:

To be fair, the tap line also seems to work with the trump King offside, if exactly KXXX QJXX QXX XX is behind me. and I guessed to ruff the fourth heart instead of a club..or KXXX QJX QXX XXX behind and I guess to ruff the club before my exit.

Also Kxxx,QJxx,Qx,xxx but these are all piddling chances compared with drawing trumps.
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Posted 2013-May-06, 10:26

View Postaguahombre, on 2013-May-05, 03:18, said:

4S looks better than 3NT. How about a plan to lose 3 spades and no diamond or 2S and 1 or no diamond.

A, A, 2 to Ace, 2.


while this is supposed to be bridge not acey deucey it appears to be the right
thing to do here just hope for some luck and dont blame the 4s bidder I am
unsure I like that 2s semi balanced bid with a singleton spade even if its the A.
As with most misfits and no suit quality game is tough to make and 4s is about
as good as anything.
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Posted 2013-May-06, 13:31

Cherdano said:

LHO wins and plays a club.


wanoff said:

That's not a problem but RHO returning a diamond might be.


It depends on which ace you used to get to hand. If you crossed in clubs, a club through dummy's king would be unwelcome. If you crossed in diamonds, a diamond through declarer's king would be unwelcome.

LHO was either Ulf Tundal or Glenn Grotheim (I can't remember which). If it went club to hand, trump to LHO, club through dummy, diamond finesse, he'd probably remember to duck it with Qxxx, though of course nobody does the right thing all the time.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2013-May-06, 13:44

if the ace to hand is a diamond, defender doesn't have to think.
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Posted 2013-May-09, 15:00

View Postgnasher, on 2013-May-06, 13:31, said:

If it went club to hand, trump to LHO, club through dummy, diamond finesse, he'd probably remember to duck it with Qxxx, though of course nobody does the right thing all the time.


Oo

If he found this duck in tempo and you hooked again he would probably be in contention for defense of the year.
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