playing 3Nt rather than 4M in 8cards fit. Uncontested auction in Imps
#62
Posted 2013-February-11, 08:27
I browsed through the hands and I knew all the names I saw.
- hrothgar
#63
Posted 2013-February-11, 10:33
han, on 2013-February-07, 07:54, said:
How does this work in practice? I assume we bid 2♠ (natural, points/length) and take it from there, say if partner bids 2NT we raise to 3, otherwise give up on 3NT?
George Carlin
#64
Posted 2013-February-11, 14:03
#65
Posted 2013-February-12, 04:21
gwnn, on 2013-February-11, 10:33, said:
I don't remember the hand exactly, but it was a strong 3523. I think I would bid 3H offering partner a choice of games, if I played that.
- hrothgar
#66
Posted 2013-February-13, 07:48
phoenix214, on 2013-February-11, 00:57, said:
No need to adjust the initial responses to Stayman for this. There is a very old convention that was designed to achieve exactly this called SID (Stayman in Doubt). On its own SID is something of a waste for a bid but if you combine it with your strong raise call then you suddenly have a convention that is useful, worthwhile and will fit into the majority of NT structures.
#68
Posted 2013-February-13, 09:31
#69
Posted 2013-February-13, 10:23
- hrothgar
#70
Posted 2013-February-13, 10:26
However, if I had started with the assumption that 4M is usually better than 3N on these hands, I am not sure the experimental data would convince me to change my mind
#71
Posted 2013-February-13, 10:55
#72
Posted 2013-February-13, 10:57
han, on 2013-February-13, 10:23, said:
I believe pairs who employ Reverse Fishbein and other conventions shown here might invert the meanings of 2♠ and 3♠ to save room.
#73
Posted 2013-February-13, 10:58
debrose, on 2013-February-08, 22:20, said:
The solution you describe above didn't address how you handle the unbalanced 5-card spade hand when partner bids 3H instead of 3D. Presumably, you must bid 3S (either 5 spades unbalanced or artificial heart slam try?), so this system does have the drawback of wrong-siding spades sometimes.
2N:3C, 3S with 4-4 majors
2N:3C, 3H:3S puppets 3NT with precisely four spades or a good 4H bid
2N:3C, 3H:3N shows five spades, looking for three-card support
This is very similar to what I play in the context of 2N:3C showing 4+spades and 2N:3D showing 4+hearts.
#75
Posted 2013-February-13, 11:26
JLOGIC, on 2013-February-06, 18:41, said:
In a previous thread I ran a dealmaster pro analysis where someone had a super accept of a transfer
showing 4333......3NT def plays better than 4 major even on 9 card major fit
#76
Posted 2013-February-13, 11:30
Zelandakh, on 2013-February-13, 09:31, said:
OK, thanks for that, but what I was getting at was what is opener supposed to show? I play at the moment that 1NT 2♣; 2♠ 3♥ is SID and nothing else. If it was also a "strong raise", would opener be bidding something like 3NT = 4333 shape, cue bid = other shape with slam-suitable hand, in case responder wants to go further than game? It is not something I have come across. I can see it could be very useful if you played that 1NT may include a 5 card major and/or a singleton!
#77
Posted 2013-February-13, 18:34
Axx
KQx
Axx
KJxx
1Nt-2D
2H--2NT (inv)
??
Partner had a 3532 and even if both hands had no spot and we had great trumps, 3Nt was better than 4M in MP, so in Imps it wouldnt have been close at all.
What people do here with a (3334) bid an artificial 3m ?
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
#78
Posted 2013-February-13, 18:51
benlessard, on 2013-February-13, 18:34, said:
Axx
KQx
Axx
KJxx
1Nt-2D
2H--2NT (inv)
??
Partner had a 3532 and even if both hands had no spot and we had great trumps, 3Nt was better than 4M in MP, so in Imps it wouldnt have been close at all.
That's a different situation since (for most people?) responder might not be balanced for transfer then 2NT. It would be nice to have a bid that says "I want to play 3NT if you are balanced" there, but there are other concerns and you can't do it all.
- billw55
#79
Posted 2013-February-13, 18:58
3C im max with 3334 (3 in you M)
3D max with 3433 (4 in your M)
3H to play
3S Max with 5233
3Nt only 2H, or 3334 very no-trump oriented.
maybe 3m is leaking too much info but its not like 3m are useful bids in standard (especillay for player that rarely/never open 1Nt with 6m)
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
#80
Posted 2013-February-14, 02:05
lalldonn, on 2013-February-13, 18:51, said:
I am not sure if you also play that 1NT - 2D - 2H - 2S and 1NT - 2C - 2X - 2S show the 5-card invites in hearts and spades respectively. If you play either of these, you can bid 3NT with a maximal 4333. With a maximum lacking 3-card support you bid 2NT (if partner has spades) or 3C (if partner has hearts).
- hrothgar