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#21 User is offline   Phil 

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Posted 2013-January-21, 10:38

View PostFluffy, on 2013-January-21, 10:08, said:

yeah I though that was called a gambit, except that wellspyder has LHO and RHO wrong

Who has made that coup ever?


Yeah, a true gambit is what Wellspyder referenced which is one of the coolest plays in existence. I don't know what the play is called which develops an entry by sacrificing a trick.

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Posted 2013-January-21, 11:10

Has RHO had a chance to double an artificial club bid?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2013-January-21, 11:17

View Postpaulg, on 2013-January-21, 03:31, said:

When clubs are 3-2, you only go down by playing the ace when the lead is from KQ2 or 82 or 72, all of which would be anti-systemic leads. Otherwise the clubs are blocked.


Not if you lose a spade and a club
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Posted 2013-January-21, 11:22

View PostFluffy, on 2013-January-21, 10:08, said:

yeah I though that was called a gambit, except that wellspyder has LHO and RHO wrong

Who has made that coup ever?

(Sorry about the confusion of LHO and RHO)

I have indeed seen this coup at the table, though it was unfortunately an opponent who brought it off against my partner....

I'm afraid I don't see how to include the play in the diagram, but the opening lead was K, overtaken by East who switched to 10. Declarer took A while West played the 8, then played A followed by 10. West showed out on the second round, while East took K and continued with 4.....

Not the only option for declarer, perhaps, but the winning one followed at the table (unfortunately not found by teammates at the other table) was to take K, then play Q followed by 2. East won an unexpected trick, but (having started with a 2416 shape) had to exit with a , allowing declarer to discard both his losing s as well as the losing .
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Posted 2013-January-21, 12:15

View Postgnasher, on 2013-January-21, 11:10, said:

Has RHO had a chance to double an artificial club bid?

Against us they did have a couple of chances but never asked about any of the auction until the end. If they had asked, then doubling a club bid would have carried some danger given that opener had already shown four clubs and responder's hand was completely unknown.
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Posted 2013-January-21, 12:25

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When clubs are 3-2, you only go down by playing the ace when the lead is from KQ2 or 82 or 72, all of which would be anti-systemic leads. Otherwise the clubs are blocked.


View PostJLOGIC, on 2013-January-21, 11:17, said:

Not if you lose a spade and a club

I think Paul's talking about the simple line of rising with the A, drawing trumps, cashing the red aces and leading another club
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Posted 2013-January-21, 12:35

Yeah but if you're always going to do that it is better to play the jack since it caters to the same layouts plus the possibility that they made an anti systemic lead or that RHO loses their mind and doesn't continue clubs if LHO has a stiff.

Don't get me wrong I think playing the ace is right though.
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Posted 2013-January-21, 16:35

The club lead was a singleton. The eight of spades dropped on the first round. You would have expected this to bring joy to most, but there were a surprising number of embarrassed faces in the bar afterwards. Most were unwilling to explain what they'd done!
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Posted 2013-January-21, 17:20

View Postpaulg, on 2013-January-21, 16:35, said:

The club lead was a singleton. The eight of spades dropped on the first round. You would have expected this to bring joy to most, but there were a surprising number of embarrassed faces in the bar afterwards. Most were unwilling to explain what they'd done!


They went down twice? Once by not using 7, and once by not using 2.
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