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1c-2d nat strong club
#1
Posted 2012-October-25, 09:24
what is a good system to answer 1♣ (strong)-2♦ (nat 5+, maybe 5♦-4M, otherwise 6+♦)
#2
Posted 2012-October-25, 09:48
I'd have opener bid naturally. I think that 2D call takes up too much space so I would expect a difficult aucton.
#3
Posted 2012-October-25, 12:20
How about:
2nt = hearts
2h = asking usually balanced
Over 2h you can find out if partner has a 4M and what his shortness is (if any); you likely lack the space to get full shape but this is usually enough. Something like:
1c-2d-2h:
2s = hearts
2n = spades
3c/3h/3s = shortness with 6+ diamond
3d = 6+ diamond semi-balanced
Presumably after opener rebids 2h, the only possible trump suits are diamonds or responder's 4M (if any) so you can cue bid next.
2nt = hearts
2h = asking usually balanced
Over 2h you can find out if partner has a 4M and what his shortness is (if any); you likely lack the space to get full shape but this is usually enough. Something like:
1c-2d-2h:
2s = hearts
2n = spades
3c/3h/3s = shortness with 6+ diamond
3d = 6+ diamond semi-balanced
Presumably after opener rebids 2h, the only possible trump suits are diamonds or responder's 4M (if any) so you can cue bid next.
Adam W. Meyerson
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#4
Posted 2012-October-25, 12:54
Basically I do what awm says:
2♥ = bal
2NT = ♥
rest = natural
After 2♥, responder bids 2NT if he holds 5♦-4♥, other bids are natural.
2♥ = bal
2NT = ♥
rest = natural
After 2♥, responder bids 2NT if he holds 5♦-4♥, other bids are natural.
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#6
Posted 2012-October-25, 18:31
Is this with a criss-cross Major transfers scheme? Esp 1H->Spades and 1S->Hearts?
That response scheme puts a lot onto no-5xM hands to do something informative/useful.
Like this 2D.
I like 2M rebid to ask support AND how good are your Diamonds, rather as Ogust to a weak2:
step 1: no goods to show;
step 2: Qxx support, not 2-tops in Diamonds; etc.
That response scheme puts a lot onto no-5xM hands to do something informative/useful.
Like this 2D.
I like 2M rebid to ask support AND how good are your Diamonds, rather as Ogust to a weak2:
step 1: no goods to show;
step 2: Qxx support, not 2-tops in Diamonds; etc.
#7
Posted 2012-October-25, 21:30
After 1♣-P-2♦:
With one partner, 2M is 5+ cards (alpha).
2N sets up a "4-card suit transfer sequence":
3♣ = 4 ♥
3♦ = single suited ♦
3♥= 4 ♠
3♠= 4 ♣
Generically 1♣-P-2m:
2M 5+ cards (alpha)
3m = single suit
3om = 4 ♥
3♥ = 4 ♠
3♠ = 4 om.
With another partner we adjust the 1N, 2♣ and 2♦ responses to 1♣ as follows:
1N = single suited clubs 6 + or 5+ ♣ 4+ diamonds (♣ dominant) Denies 4-card majors.
2♣ = one or both 4-card majors (not 4441)
2♦ = exclusion stayman (♥=♠; ♠=♥; 2N=both; 3♣/♦=4405/50 respectively.
Opener rebids 2M with 5+ but uses 2♦ with 5+/4 majors.
2♦ = balanced hand or single suited ♦ or 5+♦/4+♣ 2-suiter (♦ dominant). Denies 4-card major.
(We use 1♣-P-2N to show 4M=6+m with 3♣ relay steps showing ♥&♣, ♠&♣, ♥&♦, ♠&♦).
With one partner, 2M is 5+ cards (alpha).
2N sets up a "4-card suit transfer sequence":
3♣ = 4 ♥
3♦ = single suited ♦
3♥= 4 ♠
3♠= 4 ♣
Generically 1♣-P-2m:
2M 5+ cards (alpha)
3m = single suit
3om = 4 ♥
3♥ = 4 ♠
3♠ = 4 om.
With another partner we adjust the 1N, 2♣ and 2♦ responses to 1♣ as follows:
1N = single suited clubs 6 + or 5+ ♣ 4+ diamonds (♣ dominant) Denies 4-card majors.
2♣ = one or both 4-card majors (not 4441)
2♦ = exclusion stayman (♥=♠; ♠=♥; 2N=both; 3♣/♦=4405/50 respectively.
Opener rebids 2M with 5+ but uses 2♦ with 5+/4 majors.
2♦ = balanced hand or single suited ♦ or 5+♦/4+♣ 2-suiter (♦ dominant). Denies 4-card major.
(We use 1♣-P-2N to show 4M=6+m with 3♣ relay steps showing ♥&♣, ♠&♣, ♥&♦, ♠&♦).
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#8
Posted 2012-October-26, 05:43
What do you use the 2M and 2NT responses for? Could you afford to play 2♦ = one-suited; 2♥ = 4 spades, 5+ diamonds; 2♠ = 4 hearts, 6+ diamonds; 2NT = 4 hearts, 5 diamonds? That would allow you to get back to symmetric levels, which is usually a pretty good indicator of a comfortable auction even if you are not using relays.
(-: Zel :-)
#9
Posted 2012-October-30, 11:52
Fluffy, on 2012-October-25, 09:24, said:
what is a good system to answer 1♣ (strong)-2♦ (nat 5+, maybe 5♦-4M, otherwise 6+♦)
I play several schemes depending on my partner's preferences:
1) 1♣ - 2♦ = 8-10 Balanced (may have a weak 5cd minor) per Rodwell
2) 1♣ - 2♦ = 8+ and 5+ ♣ Transfer-like. Now 2NT is Staymanish and 3♦ is Beta
3) 1♣ - 2♦ = 8+ one or both minors, denies a 4cd major
You pays your $ and take your choice ...
Whoops, you asked about 5+♦:
1♣ - 2♣ Transfer showing 5+♦
2♦ = Staymanish
2M = Alpha (Support Asking)
2NT asking if 4M
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C3: Copious Canape Club is still my favorite system. (Ultra upgraded, PM for notes)
Santa Fe Precision ♣ published 8/19. TOP3 published 11/20. Magic experiment (Science Modernized) with Lenzo. 2020: Jan Eric Larsson's Cottontail ♣. 2020. BFUN (Bridge For the UNbalanced) 2021: Weiss Simplified ♣ (Canape & Relay). 2022: Canary ♣ Modernized, 2023-4: KOK Canape.
#10
Posted 2012-October-31, 03:04
PrecisionL, on 2012-October-30, 11:52, said:
I play several schemes depending on my partner's preferences:
1) 1♣ - 2♦ = 8-10 Balanced (may have a weak 5cd minor) per Rodwell
2) 1♣ - 2♦ = 8+ and 5+ ♣ Transfer-like. Now 2NT is Staymanish and 3♦ is Beta
3) 1♣ - 2♦ = 8+ one or both minors, denies a 4cd major
You pays your $ and take your choice ...
Whoops, you asked about 5+♦:
1) 1♣ - 2♦ = 8-10 Balanced (may have a weak 5cd minor) per Rodwell
2) 1♣ - 2♦ = 8+ and 5+ ♣ Transfer-like. Now 2NT is Staymanish and 3♦ is Beta
3) 1♣ - 2♦ = 8+ one or both minors, denies a 4cd major
You pays your $ and take your choice ...
Whoops, you asked about 5+♦:
1♣ - 2♣ Transfer showing 5+♦
2♦ = Staymanish
2M = Alpha (Support Asking)
2NT asking if 4M
Does anyone know the Meckwell continuations after 1C-2D (8-10 bal)? Also any thoughts on follow ups after 1C-2H (11-13 bal) and 1C-2N (14+ bal)?
#11
Posted 2012-November-01, 06:24
Berkowitz/Cohen Precision after 1♣(strong)--2♦(natural, GF, 5+ suit) (and also after 2♣ response, fwiw):
2♥/2♠ = natural, 5+ suit, triggers a natural auction
2NT = semi-natural, asking for more information about responder's hand (especially wrt to 4-card majors):
3♣ = 4-card ♥ suit
3♦ = 4-card ♠ suit
3♥ = "rebid" of minor
3♠ = 4-card holding in other minor
After this, if opener "accepts" the transfer into the major, we've confirmed our major suit fit on the three level and can start cuebidding. Additionally, the strong club opener could RKC or make non-RKC slam tries in either of responder's suits directly over the 3x rebid.
If you like to play Precision and want to keep it pretty simple and natural-ish while avoiding the "jamming" problems of 1♣--2minor auctions, this is a pretty good system.
2♥/2♠ = natural, 5+ suit, triggers a natural auction
2NT = semi-natural, asking for more information about responder's hand (especially wrt to 4-card majors):
3♣ = 4-card ♥ suit
3♦ = 4-card ♠ suit
3♥ = "rebid" of minor
3♠ = 4-card holding in other minor
After this, if opener "accepts" the transfer into the major, we've confirmed our major suit fit on the three level and can start cuebidding. Additionally, the strong club opener could RKC or make non-RKC slam tries in either of responder's suits directly over the 3x rebid.
If you like to play Precision and want to keep it pretty simple and natural-ish while avoiding the "jamming" problems of 1♣--2minor auctions, this is a pretty good system.
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