[Hanoi5]

All white, you dealt:

♠KJT643
♥AK7
♦A
♣AJ8

1♠-1NT*
?

*Forcing

Do you know what/where you want to play? What would 4♣/♦/♥ mean?

[CSGibson]

I'd 3♣ it, then rebid spades at the cheapest level (unless partner bids 3♥, in which case I'm raising to 4).

[phil_20686]

I get to bid 2N GF, and then show a spade single suiter too strong for 3S rebid. Downside is it will be hard for partner to show me 5 clubs.

[cherdano]

CSGibson, on 2012-September-27, 14:04, said:

I'd 3♣ it, then rebid spades at the cheapest level (unless partner bids 3♥, in which case I'm cuebidding 4♦).

FYP.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

CSGibson, on 2012-September-27, 14:04, said:

I'd 3♣ it, then rebid spades at the cheapest level (unless partner bids 3♥, in which case I'm raising to 4).

Similar problem back in January of this year :

http://www.bridgebas...__1#entry603927

1S - 1NT!
3C! ( GF, ♣ suit may be artificial )

[gwnn]

2C opening for me.

[fromageGB]

This is a 1♠ open for me, and I would not like to commit to spades as a contract, so will not rebid 3♠. I play a form of Gazzilli, so this is a 2♣ rebid (forcing artificial). Partner with up to a 7 hcp hand will bid a long suit, which I will happily raise to game in clubs or hearts, or convert to 2♠ or 2NT which I raise to game, . With a better hand he relays 2♦ and I clarify mine simply with 3♠. 4-level suits from him are then natural.

We have no meaning for opener's 2nd bids of 4-new-suit, and have no idea what would be best for them. The initial partnership assumption would be exclusion ace asking with self-sufficient spades.

[mike777]

lean towards 2c opening if for no other reason to avoid having to j/s into the 3 card suit of 3c but close.

[Quantumcat]

Alternative opening to 1♠ or 2♣ is 2NT. You'd probably like at least three card support opposite before you played a slam in spades so there is no real harm in pretending you only have five. Opening either 1♠ or 2♣ could leave you with bidding problems later.

[gwnn]

Very good. I see no reason why pretending that

KJTxxx
AKx
A
AJx

is

KJTxx
AKx
Ax
AJx

would lead to 'bidding problems.' Everyone knows that HCP is all that matters in bridge.

[Codo]

Quantumcat, on 2012-October-07, 21:55, said:

Alternative opening to 1♠ or 2♣ is 2NT. You'd probably like at least three card support opposite before you played a slam in spades so there is no real harm in pretending you only have five. Opening either 1♠ or 2♣ could leave you with bidding problems later.

Yes, the 2 NT openings are well known for solving all bidding problems....

[fromageGB]

I prefer a 3NT open.

Partner is likely to not have a fit, and if he did he won't be able to ruff anything. Also the remaining high cards are most likely to be shared between all the other three, which means you have the values for game. You are going to end up in 3NT anyway, so bid it now and not only do you have no bidding problems at all, but it gives away no information whatsoever. You might even get a spade lead.

[Codo]

fromageGB, on 2012-October-09, 03:40, said:

I prefer a 3NT open.

Partner is likely to not have a fit, and if he did he won't be able to ruff anything. Also the remaining high cards are most likely to be shared between all the other three, which means you have the values for game. You are going to end up in 3NT anyway, so bid it now and not only do you have no bidding problems at all, but it gives away no information whatsoever. You might even get a spade lead.

Maybe partner is not able to ruff, but you are- namely diamonds.
There is no clue that the remaining honours are equaly divided between the other three players.
Yes, if I hold 6 spades and a singleton diamond, I would expect a spade lead about... 1 % of all times.

I prefer your first choice (1 ♠) over your second, but I still would open it 2 ♣, we do this with all ACOL twos and this is one.

[fromageGB]

Codo, on 2012-October-09, 03:48, said:

Maybe partner is not able to ruff, but you are- namely diamonds.
There is no clue that the remaining honours are equaly divided between the other three players.
Yes, if I hold 6 spades and a singleton diamond, I would expect a spade lead about... 1 % of all times.

I prefer your first choice (1 ♠) over your second, but I still would open it 2 ♣, we do this with all ACOL twos and this is one.

Hey, no way was I serious ! Maybe I should have added a smiley

It's a 1♠ for me, because I prefer my 2♣ to be a hand with a likelihood of missing game if partner passes a 1 open. This is not quite enough by that yardstick.

[WellSpyder]

gwnn, on 2012-October-07, 23:35, said:

Very good. I see no reason why pretending that

KJTxxx
AKx
A
AJx

is

KJTxx
AKx
Ax
AJx

would lead to 'bidding problems.' Everyone knows that HCP is all that matters in bridge.

Codo, on 2012-October-08, 07:51, said:

Yes, the 2 NT openings are well known for solving all bidding problems....

fromageGB, on 2012-October-09, 03:40, said:

I prefer a 3NT open.

Partner is likely to not have a fit, and if he did he won't be able to ruff anything. Also the remaining high cards are most likely to be shared between all the other three, which means you have the values for game. You are going to end up in 3NT anyway, so bid it now and not only do you have no bidding problems at all, but it gives away no information whatsoever. You might even get a spade lead.

Hmmm, I see that when I commented in a different thread yesterday that irony can be hard to detect on the web, I may have been exaggerating the problem a bit...

[Codo]

fromageGB, on 2012-October-09, 03:57, said:

Hey, no way was I serious ! Maybe I should have added a smiley

It's a 1♠ for me, because I prefer my 2♣ to be a hand with a likelihood of missing game if partner passes a 1 open. This is not quite enough by that yardstick.

Oh sorry for the misunderstanding, glad to hear.

[mikl_plkcc]

I would have opened 2♣. In this situation, I would bid 3♠, which is forcing in my system.