LHO leads ♦2 (third and 5th),RHO plays ♦10
play 3NT
#2
Posted 2012-August-30, 05:01
- hrothgar
#3
Posted 2012-August-30, 05:58
#4
Posted 2012-August-30, 07:56
- hrothgar
#5
Posted 2012-August-30, 09:11
gnasher, on 2012-August-30, 05:58, said:
LHO might find the play of the ♦J on the second round.
#6
Posted 2012-August-31, 02:35
han, on 2012-August-30, 05:01, said:
And going down several when this is not the case?
If you are going to assume that diamonds are blocked, which is reasonable, an improvement seems to me to go to dummy with a heart and play a spade from the table intending to insert the ten if RHO plays low.
Will RHO go in if he holds ♠KJxxx, cash the diamond and play back a spade? World class defense but I doubt it will happen.
Most mediocre players will duck even with ♠AJxxx.
Meanwhile RHO is likely to play high with ♠AKxxx and the same solution applies.
Rainer Herrmann
#7
Posted 2012-August-31, 03:44
gnasher, on 2012-August-30, 05:58, said:
Andy...i am not saying anything
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#8
Posted 2012-August-31, 04:05
gnasher, on 2012-August-30, 05:58, said:
MrAce, on 2012-August-31, 03:44, said:
I do
First, the ♦2 seems to have been dealt twice.
Second, this assumes LHO would play the ♦7 from ♦AQJ7x with no outside entry.
From LHO perspective the ♦7 would only make sense if you assumed declarer would return a suicidal low diamond from ♦K98xx.
Interesting, but hard to stomach.
Rainer Herrmann
#9
Posted 2012-August-31, 05:02
rhm, on 2012-August-31, 02:35, said:
If you are going to assume that diamonds are blocked, which is reasonable, an improvement seems to me to go to dummy with a heart and play a spade from the table intending to insert the ten if RHO plays low.
Will RHO go in if he holds ♠KJxxx, cash the diamond and play back a spade? World class defense but I doubt it will happen.
Most mediocre players will duck even with ♠AJxxx.
Meanwhile RHO is likely to play high with ♠AKxxx and the same solution applies.
Rainer Herrmann
I have three comments. Most importantly, playing a low diamond from hand at trick 2 is much more elegant. Second, it seems very likely to me that RHO has the AK of spades and J10 tight of diamonds. Third, if RHO has something like AKJxx xxxx J10 xx, you will be down while the contract was cold. On the spade play, RHO wins, cashes his diamond and exits a heart.
- hrothgar
#10
Posted 2012-August-31, 06:08
han, on 2012-August-31, 05:02, said:
Sorry, but your defense does anything but defeat the contract.
Declarer will cash hearts and the club tops ending in hand and exit in spades, clearly indicated, when RHO (♠AKJxx ♥xxxx ♦J10 ♣xx) follows to four rounds of hearts.
This defense does not even work if LHO had the ♠J because LHO gets hopelessly squeezed on the run of the hearts. If LHO keeps all his spades you can exit in clubs.
The contract can be defeated double dummy on the above layout and my spade line only if RHO switches to clubs immediately without cashing the diamond jack.
But this is double dummy, the least of my worries at the table when I am in such a precarious contract!
I congratulate my opponents when they defend worthy of Belladonna (assuming I do not get suspicious that they cheat), but it happens rarely.
We have different views on this deal what is more likely to be successful. I usually consider elegant what is most likely to be successful.
Rainer Herrmann
#11
Posted 2012-August-31, 06:28
So, going to dummy and then playing a spade cannot cost. Is it clear that we should insert the jack when RHO plays low? Assuming that LHO has AQxxx of diamonds, it seems hard for him to have a top spade for his 2S bid. But on the other hand I agree that ducking the spade with AKxxx is very unlikely. So I am not certain whether your line is an improvement, and I think that both lines will work.
- hrothgar
#12
Posted 2012-August-31, 07:24
Fluffy, on 2012-August-30, 03:33, said:
LHO leads ♦2 (third and 5th),RHO plays ♦10
With ♦AQxxx in West and ♦JT in East, it is likely East has ♠AK.
I win the first trick, cross to the table in ♥ and play a spade up. Suppose East wins, cash his ♦J and exits with a ♥.
After the run of the ♥, it is ♣Axxxx opposite ♠QT♦9♣Kx. The one that discarded two spades is guarding the clubs. If that is East you can throw him in with clubs and he has to bring your ninth trick in spades. If it is West you can only win if he started with the ♠J (cashing top clubs and throwing East in with spades).
Steven
#13
Posted 2012-August-31, 08:10
You cash the third heart pitching a diamond to get a count on the hand. If east guards clubs, you pitch a spade and a diamond on the hearts and exit a third club to endplay east. If west guards clubs you have to guess who has the jack of spades. If west has the spade jack you can come down to Q10 tight of spades and a threat on west, and exit with the spade queen. If east has the spade jack you come down to Q109 of spades and no threat, and also exit with the spade queen.
The spade guess seems 50-50.
If however you don't go to dummy but elegantly play a diamond from hand immediately, then they cannot destroy your communications and you don't have to guess who has the spade jack? I must admit I didn't think about this until just now.
- hrothgar
#14
Posted 2012-August-31, 14:25
han, on 2012-August-31, 06:28, said:
If you read the hand they can never defeat you with your original defense (post 1) when RHO has JT tide ♦ and AK of spades, regardless of who has the longer clubs or ♠ J
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#16
Posted 2012-September-04, 00:06
- hrothgar
#17
Posted 2012-September-04, 03:05
Only relevant info missing is that on BBig standard leads are 3rd&5th against NT, but many people lead 4th anyway so you are never so sure.