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Signal Modulation

Poll: Signal Modulation (14 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you...?

  1. S2 (encouraging), 3-7 (I like the lead) (9 votes [64.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 64.29%

  2. S2 (encouraging), 7-3 (I don't like the lead) (3 votes [21.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.43%

  3. S7 (discouraging), 3-7 (I like the lead) (1 votes [7.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  4. S7 (discouraging), 7-3 (I don't like the lead) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Another choice (1 votes [7.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

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#1 User is offline   Phil 

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Posted 2012-April-23, 08:28

Its matchpoints.



Partner leads the 3 and dummy wins the A. Dummy is on the right (can't we fix these diagrams, so the felt is in the middle?).

You play UDCA and Reverse Smith, so lo-high = I like it. Partner's lead of a low card promises an honor (T or higher).

Whatever you play at T1, declarer will play a club to the J and Q, both cards winning.

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Posted 2012-April-23, 09:08

I voted "other": encouraging spade spot on the first trick, then count, since Smith attitude applies only when an attitude signal hasn't already been given in spades (I would assume, without discussion otherwise -- in general, we don't give the same signal twice in a row, whatever our system.) What I wouldn't know without discussion is whether that means I am giving count in clubs - smith completely off - or count in spades - smith on and I'm now giving my 2nd spade signal.

The latter is one reason why I never agree to anything of the smith or odd/even variety in a casual partnership.
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Posted 2012-April-23, 09:17

Right now the only thing I can agree on is " desiring the ( green ) FELT to be in the middle " .
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Posted 2012-April-23, 09:29

I tend to play Smith signals even after attitude. One needs to decide with partner whether attitude (and subsequently Smith) means "yes, please continue the suit from your side; it is safe" or "we have a future in this suit." Without Smith, you're stuck playing both roughly the same. With Smith, you can send a mixed message, as here, where you might want to say "we have a future in this suit, but I have a holding that is vulnerable."

Here, if partner holds 10xxx, you probably don't want him leading spades again.
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Posted 2012-April-23, 12:09

I would encourage. I don't play smith so it's hard to comment (I would play high low in clubs suggesting I have better hearts than diamonds, that should be enough for partner to work out the hand). I imagine I would encourage again, since I might have encouraged trick one with J9xx or something. I am strongly influenced by thinking partner would lead 2nd from Txxx or worse, I do not know if that is non standard and I should not assume that, it is standard where I am from though.
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Posted 2012-April-23, 12:14

In one partnership, we decided to lead 2nd from a holding as 'good' as Q7xx, but only if the hand wanted to entertain a shift to another suit. The idea was that you could Smith to say, 'yeah I really did like it in spite of the 7' if the play developed early and it looked like partner had strength.

Everyone else I have asked either online or IRL says that the the T is considered the breakpoint for 2nd versus low.

I still like the idea of leading higher with stronger holdings than 9xxx.
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Posted 2012-April-23, 12:28

Changed my mind
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Posted 2012-April-23, 12:28

I think it is obvious to Encourage on the opening lead... showing a K or Q .
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Edit ( addition ): As far as the Smith ( Rev ) signal, I would "discourage",
implying that I have something elsewhere ( in case partner needs to get to me to push a thru ) .
He should figure out that it must be and not .

If I had the K and not the Q, I should make a ( Rev ) Smith "encouragement".
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What Rev-Smith signal has the Opening leader( your partner ) made on the ?

This post has been edited by TWO4BRIDGE: 2012-April-23, 17:23

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Posted 2012-April-25, 17:52

View PostSiegmund, on 2012-April-23, 09:08, said:


The latter is one reason why I never agree to anything of the smith or odd/even variety in a casual partnership.

Here is a hand where our Odd/Even signals helped us to a killing defense:

Opening lead: Sp 6 ( 4th best )


T1 : 6 7 J Q
T2 thru T6 : Declarer ran five
.... on which West made an ODD 1st discard
.... and East made an ODD 1st discard.

This allowed West to discard his Ace.
After winning 8 tricks Declarer led a from the board; East hopped up w/K and a thru Declarer sealed his fate.

[ Declarer did not find the end play of throwing West in w/ a 3rd round of ] .
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Posted 2012-April-25, 18:10

I think I've come down to:

1. Encourage on opening lead to show a spade honor - K/Q.
2. Smith on the clubs shows two honors.

Which I do not have.

We do not need club count here, do we?
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Posted 2012-April-25, 18:13

View PostPhil, on 2012-April-23, 08:28, said:

Dummy is on the right (can't we fix these diagrams, so the felt is in the middle?).

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I much prefer it this way. I would think the bidding would be on the table, not sitting on the floor between two players. And I never thought of the green part as felt, just as empty space. When the bidding diagram is the other way I sometimes get confused.
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Posted 2012-April-25, 19:33

View PostPhil, on 2012-April-25, 18:10, said:

I think I've come down to:

1. Encourage on opening lead to show a spade honor - K/Q.
2. Smith on the clubs shows two honors.

Which I do not have.

We do not need club count here, do we?

After 1st Encouraging on the opening lead, you can:
2) use Smith on the clubs to either :
... a ) show a 2nd honor or
... b ) deny a 2nd honor.
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