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(2♠) - 3♦ - (P) - 3♥
(P) - 4♥ - (P) - 4♠
(P) - 5♣ - (P) - 5N
3♥ forcing. 4♠/5♣ show 1st or 2nd round controls.
What should 5N mean here?
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5N What is it in this auction?
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Posted 2012-April-23, 07:33
Matchpoints. w/r.
(2♠) - 3♦ - (P) - 3♥
(P) - 4♥ - (P) - 4♠
(P) - 5♣ - (P) - 5N
3♥ forcing. 4♠/5♣ show 1st or 2nd round controls.
What should 5N mean here?
Please think of your answer before clicking the spoiler to see the two hands.
(2♠) - 3♦ - (P) - 3♥
(P) - 4♥ - (P) - 4♠
(P) - 5♣ - (P) - 5N
3♥ forcing. 4♠/5♣ show 1st or 2nd round controls.
What should 5N mean here?
Please think of your answer before clicking the spoiler to see the two hands.
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Posted 2012-April-23, 08:21
Before I looked at the spoiler, I thought 5NT was pick-a-slam, but I thought it was between ♥ and NT .
It didn't dawn on me for ♦ to be one of the options.
Advancer has a great hand, but the 3H bid shifted the focus for the trump suit.
With good 4 card ♦ support, perhaps Advancer should cuebid 3S! to show that .
Of course when you do that, then any ♥ bid is a cuebid ( at the 4-level ) and not showing a "suit" .
Then too 4H! may be kickback for ♦ if you play that... which would work out great here if Overcaller used it.
Darn preempts.
It didn't dawn on me for ♦ to be one of the options.
Advancer has a great hand, but the 3H bid shifted the focus for the trump suit.
With good 4 card ♦ support, perhaps Advancer should cuebid 3S! to show that .
Of course when you do that, then any ♥ bid is a cuebid ( at the 4-level ) and not showing a "suit" .
Then too 4H! may be kickback for ♦ if you play that... which would work out great here if Overcaller used it.
Darn preempts.
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Posted 2012-April-23, 12:14
At the table, I'd probably be pretty confused as to what 5 NT meant. Certainly, it's forcing to slam, but there's nothing that's been bid so far that indicates advancer has ♦s. So, it's unclear which choice is being offered.
To avoid confusion, it's probably better for advancer to bid 6 ♦ and show the ♦ fit. Then overcaller can make the decision whether to return to the better matchpoint scoring contract of 6 ♥ with the appropriate ♥ holding.
To avoid confusion, it's probably better for advancer to bid 6 ♦ and show the ♦ fit. Then overcaller can make the decision whether to return to the better matchpoint scoring contract of 6 ♥ with the appropriate ♥ holding.
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Posted 2012-April-23, 12:23
rmnka447, on 2012-April-23, 12:14, said:
To avoid confusion, it's probably better for advancer to bid 6 ♦ and show the ♦ fit.
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Posted 2012-April-23, 12:36
After RKC, are we sure that 6♦ is not asking for a 3rd rd ctrl in ♦?
I mean we can look at east's hand and know, since wtf does west have then? [didn't ask about ♥Q, which we have. didn't ask about the ♣K, etc.] But can west know that east will know that 6♦ is not a 3rd rd ctrl ask?
Also, I know it's MP, but with 4-card support in ♦ and a partner that didn't dbl, I'm surprised folks seem to be ok with 3♥ on A9xxx.
I mean we can look at east's hand and know, since wtf does west have then? [didn't ask about ♥Q, which we have. didn't ask about the ♣K, etc.] But can west know that east will know that 6♦ is not a 3rd rd ctrl ask?
Also, I know it's MP, but with 4-card support in ♦ and a partner that didn't dbl, I'm surprised folks seem to be ok with 3♥ on A9xxx.
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Posted 2012-April-23, 12:48
Who said anything about "after RKC"? I don't see any RKC.
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Posted 2012-April-23, 12:53
If 5NT is pick-a-slam, why didn't West pick ♦ himself?
If 5NT was a grand slam try for 7♦, without known support partner cannot get this right.
If 5NT was a grand slam try for 7♦, without known support partner cannot get this right.
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Posted 2012-April-23, 15:03
lalldonn, on 2012-April-23, 12:48, said:
Who said anything about "after RKC"? I don't see any RKC.
Good point, I read the auction this morning and misremembered as I posted. Sorry. Carry on.
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Posted 2012-April-23, 16:38
I play 5NT is KCB after we cannot use 4NT. However on this sequence we could use 4NT, just that overcaller for a reason decided not to, so 5NT cannot be KCB.
East's hand should not even try to play in hearts, after 3[di overcall his main concern would be to pick between 6[di] and 7♦. However it is right to bid 3♥ on the way to help him evaluate. He did right, but after 4♥ it is time to stop giving partner chances of making bad bids like 4NT of 6♥ and bid the suit he wants to play.
East's hand should not even try to play in hearts, after 3[di overcall his main concern would be to pick between 6[di] and 7♦. However it is right to bid 3♥ on the way to help him evaluate. He did right, but after 4♥ it is time to stop giving partner chances of making bad bids like 4NT of 6♥ and bid the suit he wants to play.
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Posted 2012-April-23, 20:44
bd71, on 2012-April-23, 07:33, said:
What should 5N mean here?
I'd have taken it as GSF for ♥, so we'd be in 7♥. Great if it makes, but it probably doesn't.
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