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#1 User is offline   FrancesHinden 

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Posted 2012-February-26, 11:48

Hand 1:


Declarer is in 6D by South.
He gets the ace of clubs lead and plays as follows:
ace of clubs lead ruffed
spade to the king
club ruffed
heart to the king
club ruffed
ace of diamonds
ace of spades
spade ruffed in hand
king of diamonds (discarding a spade)
heart to dummy

he is now in this position with the lead in dummy (sorry if the pips have changed a bit):


The cards are now played as follows:
Ace of hearts, queen of diamonds, 6 of hearts, 7 hearts
East plays the king of clubs and South plays the 10 of hearts, then says "you get a trump"

South, an honest citizen, admits that he hadn't seen the ruff, and thought he was following to another winning card from dummy.

How do you rule?
How do you rule if South instead says "I was claiming the last two tricks, not following to the club"
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Posted 2012-February-26, 15:24

In both cases I rule down one.

In the initial scenario, he could change the ♥10 to the ♦J if it was an unintended play and he did so without pause for thought (Law 45C4b). However, on the facts presented it was an intended play based on a misapprehension that the previous trick hadn't been ruffed that was reinforced by his attempted concession of a trump.

In the second scenario, I don't buy it - if he was claiming he wouldn't have played the ♥10, he would've faced his hand or otherwise indicate he was ruffing the ♣K and taking the last trick with dummy's ♥A.
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Posted 2012-February-26, 16:51

View Postmrdct, on 2012-February-26, 15:24, said:

In the initial scenario, he could change the ♥10 to the ♦J if it was an unintended play and he did so without pause for thought (Law 45C4b).

Declarer can't.
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Posted 2012-February-26, 17:35

Law 45C4b has to do with unintended designations. There was no designation here, declarer played the ♥10.
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