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#1 User is offline   fpancoe 

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Posted 2011-December-27, 10:54

Red vs Red, last board of online imp tournament. Average opponents You are 4th out of 100+ pairs

KJx
Axxx
AQxx
Kx

1nt strong on your right. You don't play penalty doubles. Methods are x shows 4cardM/5 card m. 2m= 4 card m/5 card major

1. Do you bid?

2. Do you play penalty doubles over strong nt?

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Posted 2011-December-27, 11:37

IMO, no and no.
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Posted 2011-December-27, 11:49

1. I pass
2. Yes
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Posted 2011-December-27, 11:59

1. I pass
2. Yes, or to be more accurate I play that double is either penalties or a good strong NT opening (i.e. partner is free to pull it)
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Posted 2011-December-27, 13:05

My answers are no and no.

If I remember correctly, JLall has advocated penalty doubles of strong NT openers in other threads. Perhaps he will comment on this one.
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Posted 2011-December-27, 14:05

I don't get this first question. You don't have a method to show this hand, so what do you want to bid? Easy pass imo.

I don't play penalty doubles over strong 1NT openings.
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Posted 2011-December-27, 16:15

No
Yes, I play double as strong balanced.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-December-27, 16:54

I choose a call, X as I have no suit worth bidding. In answer to your second question this is a penalty X.
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Posted 2011-December-27, 19:59

I pass playing your methods.

I play a penalty double over strong nt in most of my partnerships.
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Posted 2011-December-27, 22:04

View PostArtK78, on 2011-December-27, 13:05, said:

My answers are no and no.

If I remember correctly, JLall has advocated penalty doubles of strong NT openers in other threads. Perhaps he will comment on this one.


Not really much to add to what I have said before. I like penalty Xs and you have to pass with this not playing them. It's not the worst thing ever on this hand if you actually have no spot cards as your lead options are horrible, but if partner bids something you have the perfect hand obv.
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Posted 2011-December-28, 02:37

View PostFree, on 2011-December-27, 14:05, said:

I don't get this first question. You don't have a method to show this hand, so what do you want to bid? Easy pass imo.

I don't play penalty doubles over strong 1NT openings.


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Posted 2011-December-28, 07:40

This is not the sort of hand to act over strong NT with a dble. I like penalty dble of NT, .
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Posted 2011-December-28, 07:56

Did you pick your methods to have
no 15+ bal in direct seat?
Your choice, live with this one.
Hope you have a less stringent
reopening structure.
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Posted 2011-December-28, 09:54

One thing nobody quite said: "If I had double avaijable to use over a strong NT -- at these colors, and with this hand, I still would not double."

I haven't quite said it, either; but it is something to consider.
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Posted 2011-December-28, 12:15

View Postaguahombre, on 2011-December-28, 09:54, said:

One thing nobody quite said: "If I had double avaijable to use over a strong NT -- at these colors, and with this hand, I still would not double."

I haven't quite said it, either; but it is something to consider.



View PostFrancesHinden, on 2011-December-27, 11:59, said:

1. I pass
2. Yes, or to be more accurate I play that double is either penalties or a good strong NT opening (i.e. partner is free to pull it)


View Postgnasher, on 2011-December-27, 16:15, said:

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Yes, I play double as strong balanced.

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Posted 2011-December-28, 14:54

Question number one is based on the condition that double means something else.
Question number two is an inquiry about other methods.

The the answers by those persons quoted by Mr. Ace do not address #3: "Would there be folks who would consider not doubling with the given hand, if double showed a strong NT
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Posted 2011-December-28, 15:44

To clarify the meaning of my earlier post:
- I wouldn't act with the methods in the original post, because I can't.
- Playing my preferred methods, I would double, because I have a balanced 17-count.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-December-28, 18:01

yes but just barely I play the x as a strong nt 16 1/2 + OR
a 1 suited hand similar to Ax Axx KQJTxx xx both are
designed to be penalty and I want p to leave them in with say 6+
roughly balanced (straining to bid 2c if unable to stand the x)
OR with weak one or 2 suiter to bid their (lowest) suit.

I would be a ton happier with this hand with some tens thrown in
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Posted 2011-December-28, 19:29

1. I pass
2. I play double as Majors/Minors/Diamonds, but am considering changing to playing that only by a passed hand.
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