Undiscussed in a 2/1 context where 1NT was forcing, what does the rdbl here show?
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what does this bid mean?
#1
Posted 2011-September-11, 09:55
Undiscussed in a 2/1 context where 1NT was forcing, what does the rdbl here show?
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#2
Posted 2011-September-11, 10:19
Did the 1NT response possibly include some game forcing hands?
If not, xx just shows extras and a club control, opener's been given three ways to bid 3D, 3D (weakest), pass (medium), xx (strongest, should show a club card). That's assuming partner can't have a game force and hence 3C shows a good diamond raise.
If 1NT might have included, say, a balanced game force then 3C is asking for a club stop; xx should show a stop that can be led through e.g. Axx or Kxx, allowing responder to bid 3NT with Qx or similar and get it right-sided.
p.s. having all these options just shows how silly the double of 3C is. South has already made a passed hand overcall of 2C, which tends to be primarily lead directing to start with, what does he think partner is going to lead?
If not, xx just shows extras and a club control, opener's been given three ways to bid 3D, 3D (weakest), pass (medium), xx (strongest, should show a club card). That's assuming partner can't have a game force and hence 3C shows a good diamond raise.
If 1NT might have included, say, a balanced game force then 3C is asking for a club stop; xx should show a stop that can be led through e.g. Axx or Kxx, allowing responder to bid 3NT with Qx or similar and get it right-sided.
p.s. having all these options just shows how silly the double of 3C is. South has already made a passed hand overcall of 2C, which tends to be primarily lead directing to start with, what does he think partner is going to lead?
#3
Posted 2011-September-11, 10:24
I don't think right-siding is a big issue in this auction, but otherwise I agree with Frances.
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#4
Posted 2011-September-11, 10:29
My metha rules is it shows ♣A with nothing else on the suit, I think allowing Kxx is superior on this sequence, but I think not on all of them, so you have to have a nother rule to separate when its allowed and when it is not.
#5
Posted 2011-September-11, 11:06
rduran1216, on 2011-September-11, 09:55, said:
Undiscussed in a 2/1 context where 1NT was forcing, what does the rdbl here show?
I'm assuming 3C! = good Diam raise.
Could the RDBL be ASKING for a ♣-stop in this sequence ?
Maybe Opener is considering 9 tricks to be more feasible than 11.
With a ♣-stop himself, he might have just bid 3NT .
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"imo by far in bridge the least understood concept is how to bid over a jump-shift
( 1M-1NT!-3m-?? )." ....Justin Lall
" Did someone mention relays? " .... Zelandakh
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#6
Posted 2011-September-11, 20:12
its probably just me but I use the following:
pass = what I said I had and nothing in clubs
xx = partial stopper in clubs
3n = stopper in clubs
other bids just show extra distribution and
should deny the ability to bid 3n or xx.
4c = club shortness
the advantages are numerous and the xx in
particular can allow us to reach a NT game
(or avoid a poor slam) where there is no
other easy way to get there.
this is rarely going to be a hand where
right siding is important.
pass = what I said I had and nothing in clubs
xx = partial stopper in clubs
3n = stopper in clubs
other bids just show extra distribution and
should deny the ability to bid 3n or xx.
4c = club shortness
the advantages are numerous and the xx in
particular can allow us to reach a NT game
(or avoid a poor slam) where there is no
other easy way to get there.
this is rarely going to be a hand where
right siding is important.
#7
Posted 2011-September-12, 12:02
maybe i should've made this a poll, i'm interested in more replies.
Aaron Jones Unit 557
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#9
Posted 2011-September-12, 18:01
Assuming 3 clubs was a good diamonds raise with a great interest in 3NT or 5m.
After a cuebid gets doubled I play the following.
pass-Stopper or half stop (partner can then ask)
NT- double stop
XX shows xx or xxx in the suit
new suit shows shortness
Works fine for me
After a cuebid gets doubled I play the following.
pass-Stopper or half stop (partner can then ask)
NT- double stop
XX shows xx or xxx in the suit
new suit shows shortness
Works fine for me
#10
Posted 2011-September-12, 18:17
Shows a half a stopper for me eg Qx Jxx etc.
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#11
Posted 2011-September-13, 11:21
We are not is slammish situation so its half a stopper.
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