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Posted 2011-September-07, 20:39

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Don't you just hate it when you balance back into an auction and the opponents then bid a game they didn't even sniff at originally. You avoid the knee jerk double of 4, but just barely.

You are playing standard Count and Attitude. You have the following additional info: you play negative doubles over overcalls of 1NT (partner did not do so), and 2 by partner directly over the 2 bid would have been "to play". The redouble by south was stronger than direct 3 the way the opponents bid.

Partner leads the queen of spades, you signal you like spades with the 9, declarer leads the club Queen and parnter plays the 9. Plan your defense.

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Posted 2011-September-07, 22:23

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Posted 2011-September-07, 23:11

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Posted 2011-September-07, 23:24

View PostBunnyGo, on 2011-September-07, 23:11, said:

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"Genius has its own limitations, however stupidity has no such boundaries!"
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"

"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."





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Posted 2011-September-08, 03:21

Ace, I absolutely hate it when partners play the 8 from 98xx. Maybe if one knew the declarer was going to play 2 more rounds and partner wouldn't have to make a decision before then, it could be right to play the 8 in order to give some kind of uber-expert signal, but I prefer to signal as clearly as possible as early as possible. If I play the 8 here, I can have 8x, 8xxx or H98 but never 98xx.
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Posted 2011-September-08, 04:41

Haven't read the others responses...and am not sure I've "got" this one, but here goes.

Unless South is crazy, he's got all (maybe minus one jack) of the outstanding HCP (besides partner's QJ). He can also place virtually all of the HCP he doesn't have with me and my 1NT bid. This hand probably relies on keeping dummy off lead to maximize our and tricks. If we can do that, we probably will take 1, 1, 1, and then either a / depending on South's distribution.

In , partner is either playing from J9, 9x, J98x, or 98xx...leaving declarer with Q8xx, QJ8x, Qx, or QJ. I doubt declarer would play this way from the 1st holding, so he should have one of the other three. He's likely trying to establish a transportation to dummy to finesse my H.

So I will duck the A on this and any further club trick until dummy's K is played, and I will use the K and then lower as exit cards if I do get in. Not sure exactly what I will keep if he gives me the K and then starts running , but I'm going down to stiff A before giving up my last exit.
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Posted 2011-September-08, 04:51

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Ace, I absolutely hate it when partners play the 8 from 98xx. Maybe if one knew the declarer was going to play 2 more rounds and partner wouldn't have to make a decision before then, it could be right to play the 8 in order to give some kind of uber-expert signal, but I prefer to signal as clearly as possible as early as possible. If I play the 8 here, I can have 8x, 8xxx or H98 but never 98xx.


I don't understand. Why Ace? Sounds like we agree that declarer has another club.
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Posted 2011-September-08, 06:50

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Posted 2011-September-08, 07:12

View PostBunnyGo, on 2011-September-08, 04:51, said:

I don't understand. Why Ace? Sounds like we agree that declarer has another club.


lol, he was addressing MrAce
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Posted 2011-September-08, 07:28

View Postwyman, on 2011-September-08, 07:12, said:

lol, he was addressing MrAce


Got it. I'm calling him Timo or Mista from now on.
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Posted 2011-September-08, 08:04

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Posted 2011-September-08, 15:45

View Postwyman, on 2011-September-08, 08:04, said:

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So what if declarer has 7 hearts and 2 clubs? He'll score a club, 6 hearts, a spade, and a diamond (I'm not thinking about the case where he has a diamond void -- too unlikely).



He will score 7 , if you take first , a spade, a diamond, and the club.
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Posted 2011-September-08, 18:15

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On your line of play, is the defense over after you win the ? What do you do next? and if necessary next after that?
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Posted 2011-September-09, 06:30

This one seems easier as a problem than to actually find the correct plays at the table.

1. We duck the Q and win the second round. (Partner probably started with J8xx?)
2. Next we play K.
Partner will give count (doubleton I hope).
3. If declarer ducks this trick, I have to play Q next. This stops declarer from entering dummy.
4. This sets up the situation where I will score my K + K + partner gets a ruff and we eventually score our winner.
It does not help declarer to win the first diamond. He still has no entries to dummy and we will win, cash Q and give partner a ruff.

We need partner to be something like 4-3-2-4 which seems reasonable for the bidding and play so far.
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Posted 2011-September-09, 07:17

View PostMrAce, on 2011-September-08, 15:45, said:

He will score 7 , if you take first , a spade, a diamond, and the club.


I broke this down in the next 2 lines of my analysis I think... :)
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Posted 2011-September-09, 14:22

View Postinquiry, on 2011-September-08, 18:15, said:

On your line of play, is the defense over after you win the ? What do you do next? and if necessary next after that?

Hmm, I admit I didn't think there was any further problem. I just exit with spades when in, or the K if a spade would give a ruff-sluff.
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