[nige1]

mtvesuvius, on 2011-January-09, 21:13, said:

What is your catchall bid here? What do you do on 2254? 2245?

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Déjà vu. IMO

• 2N = Natural. At least half stop in ♠ e.g. ♠ Qx ♥ xx ♦ AQxxx ♣ AJxx.
• 3♣ = Natural. At lest 55. e.g. ♠ Jx ♥ x ♦ AQxxx ♣ AJxxx.
• 3♦ = Natural. At least 64. e.g. ♠ Jx ♥ x ♦ AQxxxx ♣ AJxx.
• 3♥ = Natural. No ♠ stop & 2 ♥ or 3 ♥ e.g. ♠ xx ♥ Jx ♦ AQxxx ♣ AJxx.
• 3♠ = Natural. Attempt to right-side notrump e.g. ♠Axx ♥ x ♦ AJxxx ♣ KJxx.
• 3N = Natural. Good ♠ stop e.g. ♠ AQT ♥ x ♦ AJxxx ♣ Qxxx.

Any resemblance to previous JLOGIC material is purely coincidental

[TWO4BRIDGE]

3♣
As I said in the other post, this allows Responder to next bid 3♥ w/extra length ( 6 cards or a very good 5).

Now Opener w/2h can "agree ♥ " with a 4♥ bid and the auction is "clarified" because next:
4S! ( or 4NT!) is RKC for ♥ or
5H! is asking for a ♠ - Ctrl

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If Opener takes up the "space" with the "ambiguous 3H" call ( 2 or 3 cards ♥ ), you eliminate Responder's ability to make a RKC bid ( unless prior agreement with 4S! ) or a well-defined 5H bid when you need a ♠-control.

[whereagles]

tolvyrj, on 2011-January-10, 18:25, said:

Catchall bid? I dont know what that is (...)

It's a bid which isn't purely descriptive, rather it bundles up all hands that don't fit into other bids. For instance,

1♥ 2♦
2♥

2♥ = any minimum hand. It's either 5332 or 54/55 or 6+ hearts, all with min values (say 11-14).

If your system only allows you to bid above 2♥ with med+ hands, then 2♥ becomes a catch-all for minimum hands.

[Free]

We have no catchall since 1♦-1X-2♣ can be 4-5 or 5-4. We just bid our longer minor, and as usual have a problem with 5-5...

In partnerships where longer ♣ are not allowed, I prefer 3♣ as catchall, the cheapest rebid in a suit I already bid. Seems like it's theoretically sound to stay low with undescriptive hands. Perhaps 2NT is even better, but we might be wrongsiding contracts, so I don't like that.

[FrancesHinden]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-January-10, 19:54, said:

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If Opener takes up the "space" with the "ambiguous 3H" call ( 2 or 3 cards ♥ ), you eliminate Responder's ability to make a RKC bid ( unless prior agreement with 4S! ) or a well-defined 5H bid when you need a ♠-control.

But for me 3H is not "ambiguous" it is precisely 2 hearts. With 3 hearts I either have a balanced hand (open or rebid 1NT), or a minimum (when I raised 1H to 2H), or 16+ (when I jump to 4H over 2S - space-consuming, but a very specific hand type)

[dake50]

2N with S-stop.
Prefer minor without.
Keep rest for strong somehow.