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Posted 2010-November-19, 22:33
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Posted 2010-November-19, 23:01
South fears ♥. Someone is speeding though, at the table, West can not have all these hcps. I think it is south to bid 6 with AK trump , a void in opponent suit, and ♠A. But i don't know NS pass forcing agreements over 4♥
A pass by North over 4♥ would be forcing, south started a forcing pass auction by 4♣. But is that pass by North showing ♥ control or willing to go further is beyond me, i would like to hear what everyone else say. I have a feeling it will come down to pdship agreement of this pair over 4♥ bid.
Perhaps pass on 4♥ and then bid 5♣ if pd doubles ? That must be the strongest, however i am not quite sure if North has that hand. Overall North bid much more than i would have and i think it is South to bid 6. Eventhough i dont like that 5♣ bid.
And Yes i wld like to be in 6.
A pass by North over 4♥ would be forcing, south started a forcing pass auction by 4♣. But is that pass by North showing ♥ control or willing to go further is beyond me, i would like to hear what everyone else say. I have a feeling it will come down to pdship agreement of this pair over 4♥ bid.
Perhaps pass on 4♥ and then bid 5♣ if pd doubles ? That must be the strongest, however i am not quite sure if North has that hand. Overall North bid much more than i would have and i think it is South to bid 6. Eventhough i dont like that 5♣ bid.
And Yes i wld like to be in 6.
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Posted 2010-November-20, 01:39
I'll settle for 5♦ and hope they don't lead a thrumph.
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Posted 2010-November-20, 03:38
Don't think I'd want to be there. West is loaded with the majors so it seems like clubs aren't breaking and it seems a bit difficult on a trump lead.
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Posted 2010-November-20, 05:03
slam is almost hopeless on a trump lead (needs a miracle of ♣Axx), and on a non trump lead it needs a finese, why would I want to play there?
About the bidding, south hhas 2 cuebids avaible and is not sure wich one is a cuebid and wich one is natural, I have problems deciding it too actually. I think he is correct that 3♠ looks more natural than 4♣.
North's 5♣ I don't understand, he wanted to encourage slam?
About the bidding, south hhas 2 cuebids avaible and is not sure wich one is a cuebid and wich one is natural, I have problems deciding it too actually. I think he is correct that 3♠ looks more natural than 4♣.
North's 5♣ I don't understand, he wanted to encourage slam?
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Posted 2010-November-20, 05:14
West is marked with at least 5-5 in the majors. So East will typically have at least 5♣ headed by the ace and the ♥ ace for his opening bid.
Since West has at least 5 cards in ♠ and East at most two, West few goodies will often consist of the king of ♠.
On a trump lead I can see 10 tricks.
If you would have asked ATB for reaching 6♦, I would give most of the blame to North.
South showed good judgment by bidding only 5♦
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Since West has at least 5 cards in ♠ and East at most two, West few goodies will often consist of the king of ♠.
On a trump lead I can see 10 tricks.
If you would have asked ATB for reaching 6♦, I would give most of the blame to North.
South showed good judgment by bidding only 5♦
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Posted 2010-November-22, 07:17
I wouldn't want to be in 6♦, although I like every lead except trumps...
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Posted 2010-November-22, 07:32
Free, on 2010-November-22, 07:17, said:
I wouldn't want to be in 6♦, although I like every lead except trumps...
Yup, and isn't 5503 quite a likely shape for W, so you may not get a trump lead, but I agree I don't want to be in 6. I'd have overcalled 1♦ rather than doubled.
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Posted 2010-November-22, 08:17
Cyberyeti, on 2010-November-22, 07:32, said:
Yup, and isn't 5503 quite a likely shape for W, so you may not get a trump lead, but I agree I don't want to be in 6. I'd have overcalled 1♦ rather than doubled.
I think not doubling with south's hand is very wrong, your most likelly game is always 4M, and the sooner you find your fit the better.
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Posted 2010-November-22, 08:35
Fluffy, on 2010-November-22, 08:17, said:
I think not doubling with south's hand is very wrong, your most likelly game is always 4M, and the sooner you find your fit the better.
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Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Or the ninth trumph.
Best Regards Ole Berg
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Posted 2010-November-22, 11:04
Fluffy, on 2010-November-22, 08:17, said:
I think not doubling with south's hand is very wrong, your most likelly game is always 4M, and the sooner you find your fit the better.
Since 1♦ over 1♣ consumes no space, we don't bid it on rubbish, partner will respond as if I'd opened 1♦. as standard on these boards is a potentially short club, it's unlikely LHO will bid a lot of clubs, so if partner has a major, there's a very good chance he'll be able to bid it next. If he raises ♦ I'll bid ♥ and he can bid ♠ over this.
Also if it does go (1♣)-1♦-3♣-P-P- I can happily double to show this hand.
The only possible issue is if the auction goes (1♣)-1♦-2/3♣-3♦-5♣, but you're not certain to be any better off if you've doubled.
Also slightly prejudiced by partner holding something like KJx, void, QJ9x, KJ108xx last time I faced this auction and 1Cx didn't play that badly while 7♦ was on
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Posted 2010-November-23, 02:06
I'd never want to be in 6♦ with those hands given the bidding. I'd just hope they don't lead a trump in 5♦ !
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