[jillybean]

Walked in to a NAP Qualifier, club game today, decent field. We are playing for fun.

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Playing 12-14 nt, all seats and vulnerability.

[mike777]

2S limit raise in D

[jillybean]

mike777, on 2025-June-02, 15:25, said:

2S limit raise in D

I guess you can use that if it's on your CC
what are the follow ups?

[mike777]

Nothing fancy,
3D sign off.
2NT sign off.

You are a passed hand. Your hand is limited

[mw64ahw]

Depending on who I'm playing with
1♠ GI asking for partners shape
2♦ inverted
3♣ limit raise in ♦

[jillybean]

mike777, on 2025-June-02, 15:39, said:

Nothing fancy,
3D sign off.
2NT sign off.

You are a passed hand. Your hand is limited

3♣, start of probe for nt?

[paulg]

I'm playing a national event with a new partner and we are playing 'Edinburgh expert-standard', which is two pages of system based on 2/1, and this does seem to be covered.

We play inverted minors by a passed hand and jumps in a new suit are fit jumps by a passed hand.

So this is a simple 2♦.

This looks a normal choice when bidding no trump will probably wrongside the hand. It is a more attractive when partner does not have a weak no trump, but I'd do the same in my system.

[mike777]

jillybean, on 2025-June-02, 16:00, said:

3♣, start of probe for nt?

I guess, but responder has already cast doubt with 2s.
so here just a simple 3d over 3c.

with a more balanced hand with stoppers, responder starts with NT response.

[jillybean]

paulg, on 2025-June-02, 16:00, said:

I'm playing a national event with a new partner and we are playing 'Edinburgh expert-standard', which is two pages of system based on 2/1, and this does seem to be covered.

We play inverted minors by a passed hand and jumps in a new suit are fit jumps by a passed hand.

So this is a simple 2♦.

This looks a normal choice when bidding no trump will probably wrongside the hand. It is a more attractive when partner does not have a weak no trump, but I'd do the same in my system.

good luck

please share your 2 page "EES"

[akwoo]

I'm bidding whatever my limit raise in diamonds is - generally that is 2♦.

[mycroft]

I play invm off by PH (who are we preempting?) in most of my partnerships, so 3♦. I fully expect 3NT from partner with their balanced 15.

[paulg]

jillybean, on 2025-June-02, 17:31, said:

please share your 2 page "EES"

When I moved to Scotland there was a vibrant league of eight competition based around Edinburgh, where each team would have a squad of up to 14 players. One team captain was particularly good at finding out when new talent arrived into the area, so he built a team based primarily on the strength of the players rather than partnerships. He was also an NFL fan, like me, so his team was the 49ers and the team all played 49ers Standard.

You can see the system at https://bit.ly/3Zdqm6h

The pandemic put paid to the league but it is still a useful system for a random partnership to play.

[Huibertus]

Either you play inverted minors, so you bid 2♦.
-If partner is balanced he's 15-17 so you'll play 3NT unless 1 of your majors has no stopper. In which case you'll play 5♦ and probably lose 2 tricks in that major only.
-If partner is unbalanced MIN he'll bid 3♦ and that is where you'll play.
-If partner is unbalanced non MIN/MAX it might be 6♦ and you've started well agreeing on fit, staying low to investigate.

Or you don't play inverted minors, so you bid 3♦
-That's leave less room, it's a bit of an auto-preempt, but it is what you agreed upon.
-And it might stop them from competing is partner is MIN and they have a Major fit.

3♣ is NOT the start of investigating 3NT. It should be a fit-bid helping partner to decide on bidding game to make or to take out. Apart from this it's a ♣ holding that is hardly good enough for 3NT if partner has shortness in ♣ while it IS useful for 5/6 ♦ in such a case, so even if 3♣ shows a stopper for 3NT it's still not the right bid IMO.

[jillybean]

I'll get the full hand soon, hint, others started 1nt (15-17)

[Cyberyeti]

Huibertus, on 2025-June-03, 04:46, said:

Either you play inverted minors, so you bid 2♦.
-If partner is balanced he's 15-17 so you'll play 3NT unless 1 of your majors has no stopper. In which case you'll play 5♦ and probably lose 2 tricks in that major only.
-If partner is unbalanced MIN he'll bid 3♦ and that is where you'll play.
-If partner is unbalanced non MIN/MAX it might be 6♦ and you've started well agreeing on fit, staying low to investigate.

Or you don't play inverted minors, so you bid 3♦
-That's leave less room, it's a bit of an auto-preempt, but it is what you agreed upon.
-And it might stop them from competing is partner is MIN and they have a Major fit.

3♣ is NOT the start of investigating 3NT. It should be a fit-bid helping partner to decide on bidding game to make or to take out. Apart from this it's a ♣ holding that is hardly good enough for 3NT if partner has shortness in ♣ while it IS useful for 5/6 ♦ in such a case, so even if 3♣ shows a stopper for 3NT it's still not the right bid IMO.

This nails it, 2♦ for me

[P_Marlowe]

Even when not playing inv. minor raises, you could bid 2D.

If p has the strong NT, he may find another bid, the single raise does not deny 9HCP.

Given that you are playing MP, missing a close game is not the end of the world, 50% means,
50% of the time it makes, and 50% of the time it goes down.

[pescetom]

Looks like a comfortable 1NT - 3NT to me

I haven't played much weak NT and have no idea of methods, but with inverted minors off and no gadgets I would be comfortable bidding 3D. The simple raise does not deny 9 HCP, but I have 10 and a 9 card fit.

[P_Marlowe]

The 5th diamond I have shown, and yes I am max.

I also think 3D is the bid to make, if you dont play inv. minor, but 2D is also not very harmful.

[jillybean]

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*12-14nt
It looks doomed, doesn't it?
It's fuzzy at best knowing if inverted minors are on by passed hand, (another good detail to discuss with partner) 3D is the bid.

However, at our table, North bid 2nt , South raised to game and of course we get a spade lead.

[akwoo]

Particularly when playing a weak NT, I prefer to ignore stopper seeking after an inverted minor bid. Why tell the opponents what to lead?

So, in my weak NT partnerships, the bidding goes 1D-2D-3N (3N shows 15-16 balanced).