From reading through the old threads, it looks like a variation on Meckwell:
1♣ - 1♦ (0-7):
1♥: Either strong balanced or 4+♥, F1
.....1♠: 4+
.....1N: DN
.....2♣: No fit, not DN
.....2♦: 3-card fit
.....2♥: 4-card raise
1♠: 4+ F1
.....1N: DN
.....2♣: No fit, not DN
.....2♦: 3-card fit
.....2♥: 6+♥
.....2♠: 4-card fit
1N: Balanced, NF
2♣/2♦: 5+ unbalanced; NF
2♥: NF 5♥ + 4m
2♠: NF 5♠ + 4m
2N: Minors
This version might have trouble showing GF with 5+M and 4m, since opener will jump to 3m on the 4th round with a GF hand. Some variations use 2♥ to force 2♠ and show either GF balanced or GF canape with a 4CM.
Do folks on the forum play this method, and do you find it to be superior to the standard Meckwell treatment?
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Cambrige Heart complex after 1C - 1D (0-7)...
#2
Posted 2024-October-19, 04:20
I do not play it, but have looked into it before and discussed it with PrecisionL.
Helene and I play a 'standard Meckwell treatment' which has quite a few gadgets that I'm not sure are really common. I call it Meck-not-so-lite.
On 1♣-1♦; 1M-2♣ we allow opener to ask for further information with 2♦, which can be weak (in context). The rebid scheme is straightforward, I'm only showing the 1♠ case here but 1♥ is similar. Note that we allow 1♣-1♦; 1♠-2♥ on a five card suit rather than a six card suit, so those hands are ruled out by the 2♣ bid. The range for every bid is 5-7, no need to go to a tigher range after the 2♣ bid:
1♣-1♦; 1M-2♣; 2♦-?
In a similar way the bid 1♣-1♦; 1M-2♦; 2NT is a generic game forcing asking bid. Here though I would play a 3m rebid instead as a GF hand - weaker hands can sign off in the 4-3 fit in 2M. It's not that a Moysian is great, but trying to improve the partscore takes us past the point of no return. Plus, on this auction the opponents do not know what it is a Moysian, which can help a little by making their defence (or balancing decision) more difficult.
The auctions over the double negative and the 1♣-1♦; 1♥-1♠ are not as clean, and require more effort.
Helene and I play a 'standard Meckwell treatment' which has quite a few gadgets that I'm not sure are really common. I call it Meck-not-so-lite.
On 1♣-1♦; 1M-2♣ we allow opener to ask for further information with 2♦, which can be weak (in context). The rebid scheme is straightforward, I'm only showing the 1♠ case here but 1♥ is similar. Note that we allow 1♣-1♦; 1♠-2♥ on a five card suit rather than a six card suit, so those hands are ruled out by the 2♣ bid. The range for every bid is 5-7, no need to go to a tigher range after the 2♣ bid:
1♣-1♦; 1M-2♣; 2♦-?
- 2♥: 4♥
- 2♠: Punt, typically 2=3=5=3, 2=3=4=4 or 2=3=3=5.
- 2NT: Both minors, at least 5-4 either way.
- 3♣: 6(+)♣.
- 3♦: 6(+)♦.
In a similar way the bid 1♣-1♦; 1M-2♦; 2NT is a generic game forcing asking bid. Here though I would play a 3m rebid instead as a GF hand - weaker hands can sign off in the 4-3 fit in 2M. It's not that a Moysian is great, but trying to improve the partscore takes us past the point of no return. Plus, on this auction the opponents do not know what it is a Moysian, which can help a little by making their defence (or balancing decision) more difficult.
The auctions over the double negative and the 1♣-1♦; 1♥-1♠ are not as clean, and require more effort.
#3
Posted 2024-October-19, 07:32
Yes, I have played a version of the Cambridge Heart Complex in two partnerships for over 15 years and absolutely love it!
Johnson-Berkowitz notes by Don Varvel was my introduction:
NOTE: 1♣ - 1♦ - 1♥ = (a) 4+♥, or (b) 2+♥ and balanced 20+ hcp is how we play.
The original Cambridge Heart Complex is (a) 5+♥, or (b) balanced and 19+ hcp.Johnson-Berkowitz notes by Don Varvel was my introduction:
Responder is allowed to rebid 2♣ or higher with 5-7 hcp.
Also, see bridgebase.com/forums/1C(Strong) for responder's rebids.
Ultra ♣ Relay: see Daniel's web page: https://bridgewithda...19/07/Ultra.pdf
C3: Copious Canape Club is still my favorite system. (Ultra upgraded, PM for notes)
Santa Fe Precision ♣ published 8/19. TOP3 published 11/20. Magic experiment (Science Modernized) with Lenzo. 2020: Jan Eric Larsson's Cottontail ♣. 2020. BFUN (Bridge For the UNbalanced) 2021: Weiss Simplified ♣ (Canape & Relay). 2022: Canary ♣ Modernized, 2023-4: KOK Canape.
C3: Copious Canape Club is still my favorite system. (Ultra upgraded, PM for notes)
Santa Fe Precision ♣ published 8/19. TOP3 published 11/20. Magic experiment (Science Modernized) with Lenzo. 2020: Jan Eric Larsson's Cottontail ♣. 2020. BFUN (Bridge For the UNbalanced) 2021: Weiss Simplified ♣ (Canape & Relay). 2022: Canary ♣ Modernized, 2023-4: KOK Canape.
#4
Posted 2024-October-20, 07:31
I have played Cambridge Heart Complex as part of Oliver Clarke's Precision System (OCP), as described at http://ocp.pigpen.org.uk/1c.php
The idea of showing balanced hand ranges via a 1♥ rebid is the same in Oliver's version as the one that foobar described, but the follow-ups are different. In particular, the 1♠ rebid by responder does not guarantee 4+ spades. Responder automatically makes the 1♠ rebid, even with support for hearts, with a few exceptions.
In OCP, 4441 16+ hands are opened with 2♦, so the 1♥ and 1♠ rebids by opener (after 1♣ - 1♦) usually have 5+ cards and a 4-4 spade fit can be located using Stayman if opener shows a NT hand.
My experience is that the system of NT ranges works well. The main issue I have with the overall OCP scheme is remembering which specific hands are exceptions to 1♠ for responder's rebid.
Rob
The idea of showing balanced hand ranges via a 1♥ rebid is the same in Oliver's version as the one that foobar described, but the follow-ups are different. In particular, the 1♠ rebid by responder does not guarantee 4+ spades. Responder automatically makes the 1♠ rebid, even with support for hearts, with a few exceptions.
In OCP, 4441 16+ hands are opened with 2♦, so the 1♥ and 1♠ rebids by opener (after 1♣ - 1♦) usually have 5+ cards and a 4-4 spade fit can be located using Stayman if opener shows a NT hand.
My experience is that the system of NT ranges works well. The main issue I have with the overall OCP scheme is remembering which specific hands are exceptions to 1♠ for responder's rebid.
Rob
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