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#1 User is offline   Wainfleet 

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Posted 2020-December-16, 07:44


My partner and I would treat this hand differently and we would like the view of the experts.

Playing a weak 1NT (12-14), would you:

a) Open 1NT
b) open 1 and rebid 1NT after a 1 response
c) open 1 and rebid 2NT after a 2 response


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Posted 2020-December-16, 09:07

I'm not sure in what way b & c are different - I would expect anyone who chose one of them to choose the other too.

I don't think the hand is worth an upgrade, largely due to the SJx.
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Posted 2020-December-16, 09:13

View Postgordontd, on 2020-December-16, 09:07, said:

I'm not sure in what way b & c are different - I would expect anyone who chose one of them to choose the other too.

I don't think the hand is worth an upgrade, largely due to the SJx.


I agree with B/C being the same. I think it's close, but your intermediates are below average and that clinches it for me not to upgrade.
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Posted 2020-December-16, 10:02

1NT (12-14), 1NT (13-15), 1NT (14-16), NO 1NT (15-17) 1 bid
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Posted 2020-December-16, 11:11

This looks like a normal weak no trump to me. You are permitted to be upper range or, occasionally, even hold a maximum.
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Posted 2020-December-16, 11:18

Hm. 14 HCP, -1 for the "dubious doubleton" in spades, +1 for the fifth diamond, +1 for the three honors in the long suit. Looks like 15 starting points. Borderline. Knowing my usual partners, if I show 15-17, they're going to play me for 17, so I guess 1NT it is. :-)
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Posted 2020-December-16, 11:45

I'd open 1NT, even though it is a stonking maximum. Did you open 1NT and miss game when partner held the perfect 10 count?
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Posted 2020-December-16, 12:10

1NT.
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Posted 2020-December-16, 12:50

1NT.
Blocks opponents more than 1D and if you win the contract you have something in all suits that is worth leading up to.
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Posted 2020-December-16, 13:09

This is love all so 1NT at pairs and NV at teams. As paulg says, you are allowed to be top of the range.

I might upgrade it to 1D - [response] - 1NT vulnerable at teams because (a) IMPs rewards bidding thin games and (b) once in a blue moon 1NTX gets into trouble.
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Posted 2020-December-16, 13:33

View PostDouglas43, on 2020-December-16, 13:09, said:

I might upgrade it to 1D - [response] - 1NT vulnerable at teams because (a) IMPs rewards bidding thin games and (b) once in a blue moon 1NTX gets into trouble.


Would you really sit for 1NTX?

(I agree with opening it 1N in general. However, I do know folks who play good11-average14, and I don't think you'd open 1N with that agreement.)
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Posted 2020-December-16, 16:24

I value this as a middle of the road 14. I love the diamond suit but dislike the isolated honours in the other suits.

1NT is such a powerful opening bid, denying bidding space to the opponents. I want quite a bit more to open 1D.
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Posted 2020-December-16, 16:28

Having found the hand in question.. let's just say that the issue on this hand is NOT what was opened.
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Posted 2020-December-16, 16:58

I'd open 1NT

Not completely happy about it, but it seems better that the alternatives (plus its more preemptive than 1!D)
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Posted 2020-December-16, 17:50

No expert but its an obvious choice of 1NT or 1D and I wouldnt mind which one was chosen. A bit too much analysis I reckon :)

But I think I would probably go for 1NT, just because it clerly defines your point range and as others say is more preemptive etc

I would be interested in why people think there needs to be that much debate over the hand. If its a matter of a point either way, I would not regard the risks of missing out much by treating that as 14 pointer. Surely any system with NT trump ranges is never going to be 100% accurate, otherwise where is the fun in the game :)
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Posted 2020-December-17, 01:43

View PostTylerE, on 2020-December-16, 16:28, said:

Having found the hand in question.. let's just say that the issue on this hand is NOT what was opened.


Indeed so. I think it would have been more productive to ask about responder's actions and hand evaluation.
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Posted 2020-December-17, 02:22

View Postakwoo, on 2020-December-16, 13:33, said:

Would you really sit for 1NTX?

(I agree with opening it 1N in general. However, I do know folks who play good11-average14, and I don't think you'd open 1N with that agreement.)


Probably not, but partner might rescue me into a major before I can run to 2D. I'm not that worried about the double aspect, I play 12-14 throughout at IMPs.
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Posted 2020-December-17, 04:04

View PostTylerE, on 2020-December-16, 16:28, said:

Having found the hand in question.. let's just say that the issue on this hand is NOT what was opened.


Any clues what happened ? I frequent the forums but don't actually play on BBO so can't/don't know how to look this up
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Posted 2020-December-17, 08:44

Wainfleet ' My partner and I would treat this hand differently and we would like the view of the experts. Playing a weak 1NT (12-14), would you:
a) Open 1NT
b) open 1 and rebid 1NT after a 1 response
c) open 1 and rebid 2NT after a 2 response
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Matter of style. IMO, many experts upgrade, opening 1 and rebidding 1NT.
Whatever they declare, their effective range is 11.5-13.5

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Posted 2020-December-17, 10:09

View PostCyberyeti, on 2020-December-17, 04:04, said:

Any clues what happened ? I frequent the forums but don't actually play on BBO so can't/don't know how to look this up


OP's partner opened a weak NT, and OP simply signed off in 4 with AKQ986 AQJT xx x
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