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Cheating at Bridge/By hook or by crook

#1 User is offline   PhilG007 

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Posted 2018-December-11, 17:23

I recently viewed videos on You Tube under the heading "Bridge Cheating Scandals" I was left saddened. that some players will do anything to win.
By hook or by crook..in this case crook. Posted Image
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Posted 2018-December-12, 01:41

Human nature, sadly. (I had seen the videos previously.) However, it did direct me to another video courtesy of Peter Hollands. Now this is serious :)

https://www.youtube....h?v=cQ-x_WdHFL8
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Posted 2018-December-12, 17:23

The fairly recent cheating scandals have been dissected and analyzed in every direction possible on the Bridgewinners site.

https://bridgewinner...eating-scandal/
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Posted 2018-December-12, 20:10

Yes. Cheating everywhere.
I even heard about a recent case of cheating in bicycling. The Tour de France no less. I believe the cheater's name was Lance something. Shocking!
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Posted 2018-December-13, 08:51

View Postmasse24, on 2018-December-12, 20:10, said:

Yes. Cheating everywhere.
I even heard about a recent case of cheating in bicycling. The Tour de France no less. I believe the cheater's name was Lance something. Shocking!


I presume you are referring to Lance Armstrong. Yes he was found to have taken anabolic steroids which are banned under International Cycling rules
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Posted 2018-December-13, 08:54

View PostPhilG007, on 2018-December-13, 08:51, said:

I presume you are referring to Lance Armstrong. Yes he was found to have taken anabolic steroids which are banned under International Cycling rules

The point that was being made was that you were referring to old news as though it were current.
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Posted 2018-December-13, 16:42

View PostThe_Badger, on 2018-December-12, 01:41, said:

Human nature, sadly. (I had seen the videos previously.) However, it did direct me to another video courtesy of Peter Hollands. Now this is serious :)

https://www.youtube....h?v=cQ-x_WdHFL8

that is amazing. i thought i had noticed the bots revoking a couple of times. but to change the whole hand . unbelievable.
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Posted 2018-December-15, 16:07

View Postthomas c, on 2018-December-13, 16:42, said:

that is amazing. i thought i had noticed the bots revoking a couple of times. but to change the whole hand . unbelievable.


There was quite a fuss about it at the time, but I missed the conclusion if there was one.
Can anyone here sum up what BBO had to say?
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Posted 2018-December-15, 21:06

View Postpescetom, on 2018-December-15, 16:07, said:

There was quite a fuss about it at the time, but I missed the conclusion if there was one.
Can anyone here sum up what BBO had to say?


Is GIB really a BOT or does BBO have basements full of enslaved human bridge players. I have noticed weird plays (possible revokes) myself but sadly had no way of confirming or checking. Maybe its just flaky code and nothing more serious :) It doesnt really behave like a computer program sometimes. I guess if it were programmed to randomly cheat the program could also cover it up :)
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Posted 2018-December-16, 07:54

View Postthepossum, on 2018-December-15, 21:06, said:

Is GIB really a BOT or does BBO have basements full of enslaved human bridge players. I have noticed weird plays (possible revokes) myself but sadly had no way of confirming or checking. Maybe its just flaky code and nothing more serious :) It doesnt really behave like a computer program sometimes. I guess if it were programmed to randomly cheat the program could also cover it up :)


Flaky code is not enough to explain the series of circumstances alleged in that video. Maybe the video is a fake, however. We should be told.
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Posted 2018-December-16, 11:25

View Postthepossum, on 2018-December-15, 21:06, said:

Is GIB really a BOT or does BBO have basements full of enslaved human bridge players.

yeah, our "bots" live with the hoards of Google workers watching for "idiot" searches. :)

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Posted 2018-December-16, 12:40

No need to be so sensitive barman. It was a joke. However I imagine you are familiar with companies that fake AI with humans. Maybe that's what you are referring to. I wasn't attacking GIB, just having a bit of fun :)

PS somebody very sensitive who has been the recipient of constant attacks on these forums could misinterpret your post as a personal attack. Just saying to be more careful ;)
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Posted 2018-December-16, 19:52

Maybe someone so sensitive to "constant attacks" shouldn't go around kicking sand in peoples faces.
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Posted 2018-December-16, 23:12

View Postthepossum, on 2018-December-16, 12:40, said:

No need to be so sensitive barman. It was a joke.

So was my response; I even ended it with a smiley. It was a reference to the question that was asked to the Google CEO during his Congressional grilling last week.

https://www.youtube....h?v=8fP95zyPePU
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