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Posted 2016-October-14, 07:25

Possibly of no interest to anyone else, but I'll post anyway:

"NF Gazzilli" is a name I've been using for each of the following rebids,

1-1; 1N = "10-12"1, 3-S2-H6+C / "16-18"1, 3-S2-H5+C, unbal. / 17-19 bal., 2-3 H
1-1; 1N = "10-12", 2-S6+C / "16-18", 2-S5+C, unbal. / 17-19 bal., 2-3 S
1-1; 1N = "10-12", either 2-S3-H6+D or 2-S5D5C / "16-18", 2-S3-H5+D, unbal.
1-1; 1N = "10-12", either 2-H6+D or 2-H5D5C / "16-18", 2-H5+D, unbal.,

in my vaguely 2/1-like system where (roughly)

1(1st/2nd NV) = "nat. or 14+ bal."
1(V, 3rd/4th NV) = "nat. or 11-13/17+ bal."
1 = "nat. unbal., F1",

and

1-1 = 0+, 4+ H, may have longer S unless GF
1-1 = 0+, 4+ S, denies 4+ H unless GF
1-1 = 0+, 4+ S, may have longer H unless GF2
1-1 = 0+, 4+ H, denies 4+ S unless GF2,

but more generally it could be any NF 1N rebid (in any system) that behaves like Gazzilli in some interesting way.

But although the listed 1N rebids are all similarly defined,

* over 1-1R the 1N rebid began as a 17-19 NT. (as in "Swedish" T-Walsh). Then was allowed also on wildly offshape hands (effectively raising the lower limit of other strong rebids by 3 hcp, making it easier to cope with responses on "air"). And it finally had to double as lebensohl (narrowing the range of Opener's 2 rebid);
* over 1-1M the 1N rebid began as "10-12", nat. (effectively narrowing the range of Opener's 2 and 2 rebids). Then it had to double as "true" Gazzilli for a while before it reached its current form (after I threw out e.g. 10-12, 1M5D4C and "16-18" hands with 3+ support), when it sometimes makes sense for Responder to pass 1N again.

Also, beyond the description of Opener's 1N rebid, the two types of structure have been so different that lumping them together under "NF Gazzilli" has seemed a bit pointless.

Until a couple of days ago, when it occured to me that if I change my system to

1(1st/2nd NV) = "nat. or 14-19/23+ bal., F1"
1(V, 3rd/4th NV) = "nat. or 11-13/17-19/23+ bal., F1"
1 = "nat. unbal. or 20-22 bal., F1"

and

1-1; 1N = "10-12", 3-S2-H6+C / "16-18", 3-S2-H5+C, unbal. / 17-19 bal., 2-3 H
1-1; 1N = "10-12", 2-S6+C / "16-18", 2-S5+C, unbal. / 17-19 bal., 2-3 S
1-1; 1N = "10-12", either 2-S3-H6+D or 2-S5D5C / "16-18", 2-S3-H5+D, unbal. / 20-22 bal., 2-3 S
1-1; 1N = "10-12", either 2-H6+D or 2-H5D5C / "16-18", 2-H5+D, unbal. / 20-22 bal., 2-3 H,

then it might suddenly make sense to play very similar structures both after 1-1R; 1N and 1-1M; 1N.

For example (brief outline):

(m = the opened minor; M = Responder's shown major)

1-[1M-1](=4+ M); 1N-?: / 1-1OM(=4+ M); 1N-?:

P = < positive values* and no good reason not to pay 1N opposite a bal. hand
2m = < positive values* and a good reason (such as having 5 M) not to play 1N opposite a bal. hand
...P = (usually) "10-12", 6+ m
...2M = bal.
...other = nat., usually "16-18"
2Om = positive values*, relay [doubles as a transfer to H if m= and M=]
...2 = "10-12", "6+ D"
......2(M=) = 7-9, 4+S5+H
......2M = 7-9, "6 M"
......2M+1 = GF relay (=> 2N = 4+ S)
...2(m=) = "10-12", "6+ C"
......P(M=) = 7-9, "6 H"
......2(M=) = 7-9, 5+S4+H
......2(M=) = 7-9, "6 S"
......2OM+1 = GF relay (=> 2N = 4+ H)
...2(m=) = "10-12", "5D5C"
...2 = If possible: "16-18", 4+OM5+m. Else: same as 2, but no H tolerance
...2N = bal.
...3+ = "16-18" unbal., e.g. nat.
2(m=,M=) = 7-9, "6 S" [a pure transfer to S]
2(m=,M=) = 10-12, 4+S5+H [like inv Flannery by Responder]
2M = 10-12, "6 M" [like an IJS]
2(m=,M=) = 10-12, 5+S4+H [like inv Reverse Flanery by Responder]

* here 'positive values' means 'GF' if m= and 'GF opposite "16-18"' if m=

In more detail:

1-1; 1N-?:

P = 0-6, 4-S4H
2 = 0-6, either 5+ H or 5+S4H / 7-12, no game interest opposite "10-12", catchall
...P = "10-12", 3-S2-H6+C
...2 = "16-18", 2-H4+D5+C.
...2 = 17-19 bal.
......P = 0-6, 5+ H
......2 = 0-6, 5+S4+H
......(...)
...2 = "16-18", 3S1-H6+C [in case Responder has 5+ S or 4S1-C]
...2N = ?
...3 = "16-18", 2-S3-H3-D7+C
2 = 7-9, either "6 H" or 5+S4+H / 13+
...2 = "10-12", 3-S2-H6+C, to play opposite 7-9, "6 H"
......P = 7-9, "6 H"
......2 = 7-9, 5+S4+H
......2N = GF relay
......(...)
...2 = "10-12", 3-S1-H7+C? [doesn't want to play 2 opposite 7-9, "6 H"]
...2N = 17-19 bal.
...3+ = "16-18", 3-S2-H5+C, unbal.
2 = 10-12, "6 H"
2 = 10-12, 5+S4+H
(...)


1-1; 1N-?:

P = 0-6, 4S3-H
2 = 0-6, 5+ S / 7-12, no game interest opposite "10-12", catchall
...P = "10-12", 2-S6+C
...2 = "16-18", 2-S4+D5+C
...2 = "16-18", 2-S4+H5+C
...2 = 17-19 bal.
......P = 0-6, 5+ S
......(...)
...2N = "16-18", 1336
...3 = "16-18", 2-S3-H3-D7+C
2 = 13+, relay
...2 = "10-12", 2-S6+C
......2 = GF relay (=> 2N = 4+ H)
......(...)
...2 = "16-18", 2-S4+H5+C
...2N = 17-19 bal.
...3+ = "16-18", 2-S3-H5+C, unbal.
2 = 7-9, "6 H"
2 = 10-12, "6 S"
(...)


1-1; 1N-?:

P = 0-3, 4S4-H
2 = GF opposite "16-18", relay
...2 = "10-12", 3-S2-H6+D
......(...)
......2 = 7-9, 5+ H
......2 = 7-9, "6 S"
......2N = GF relay
......(...)
...2 = "10-12", 1255 [pref. opposite 7-9, 5S5H]
...2 = "10-12", 2155 [pref. opposite 7-9, 5S5H]
...2N = 20-22 bal.
...3+ = "16-18", 2-S3-H5+D, unbal.
2 = 0-3, either 5+ S or 4S5+H / 4-6, any
...P = "10-12" / "16-18", 2263?
...2 = "16-18", 1-S3H [in case Responder has 5+ H or 4H2-D]
...2 = 20-22 bal.
......P = 0-3, 5+ S
......(...)
...2N = "16-18", 2-S2-H6+D4C?
...3 = "16-18", 2-S2-H5+D5+C
...3 = "16-18", 2-S3-H7+D?
2 = 10-12, 5+ H
2 = 10-12, "6 S"
(...)


1-1; 1N-?:

P = 0-3, 3-S4H
2 = GF opposite "16-18", relay
...2 = "10-12", 2-H6+D
......(...)
......2 = 7-9, "6 H"
......2 = GF relay (=> 2N = 4+ S)
......(...)
...2 = "10-12", 2-H5D5C
...2 = "16-18", either 4+S2-H5+D or 4144
...2N = 20-22 bal.
...3+ = "16-18", 3-S2-H5+D, unbal.
2 = 0-3, 3-S5+H / 4-6, any
...P = "16-18", either 2H6D(32) or 3163?
...2 = 20-22 bal., 2-3 H
......P = 0-3, 5+ H
......(...)
...2 = "16-18", 4+S2-H5+D
...2N = "16-18", 2-H5+D4C?
...3 = "16-18", 2-S2-H5+D5+C
...3 = "16-18", 3-S2-H7+D
2 = 10-12, "6 H"
(...)

(Responder's ranges should be taken with a tiny grain of salt.)

1 This thread isn't about hand valuation, so readers can interpret "10-12" and "16-18" the way they wish. But for me, '"10-12"' and '"16-18"' are just more legible ways of writing 'rules of 19-21' and 'rules of 25-27', respectively.
2 [3 Oct 2017:] Maybe it's best to respond 1 with 0-3, 4S5+H, because if the bidding goes 1-1; 1N-2, then Responder can pass comfortably whether Opener then bids 2("20-22 BAL") or 2("S reverse").

Originally added to the next post (starting 16 March 2017) but moved here 5 May 2020 because of space issues:
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Posted 2016-October-15, 12:34

Here's a structure over the "positive relay" (2 over 1-1M; 1N and 2 over 1-[1M-1]) that is

* objectively worse when Responder has 7-9, 5S5H;
* objectively better when Opener is bal.;
* hopefully still good enough (well, maybe not for the SR diehards on this forum) when Opener has "16-18" unBAL:

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