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"Old Bridge" vs "New Bridge"

#1 User is offline   monami1027 

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Posted 2015-October-21, 12:43

I have noticed some of our local "gurus" tossing around the term or referring to "old bridge" vs. "new bridge". Can someone tell me what this means?
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Posted 2015-October-21, 15:35

 monami1027, on 2015-October-21, 12:43, said:

I have noticed some of our local "gurus" tossing around the term or referring to "old bridge" vs. "new bridge". Can someone tell me what this means?


Depends on where you are located. Different local gurus might have different opinions on what's old and new :)

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Posted 2015-October-21, 15:59

I fear "new bridge" is the game as played by Fantoni-Nunes and Fischer-Schwartz; leaving most of the rest of us left behind playing "old bridge".
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Posted 2015-October-21, 16:09

When I hear "Old bridge," it makes me think of . . .

- 4 card majors
- 16-18 opening range of 1NT (and no Jacoby transfers)
- Strong opening two-bids
- Preempts consistently on 7-card or longer suits headed by at least three honors
etc.

If you ever venture over to pogo, you'll no doubt find most of the inhabitants playing this "old bridge".

"New bridge," on the other hand, as I understand it, features things like Gazzilli, Bart, Kaplan inversion, Walsh........ none of which I even play. Posted Image My bidding preferences have tended to land right around the middle in between these.
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Posted 2015-October-21, 16:25

The more alerts, the newer B-)
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Posted 2015-October-21, 19:28

 RMB1, on 2015-October-21, 15:59, said:

I fear "new bridge" is the game as played by Fantoni-Nunes and Fischer-Schwartz; leaving most of the rest of us left behind playing "old bridge".


right cuz no one was cheating back in the day. LOL.
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Posted 2015-October-21, 19:29

 monami1027, on 2015-October-21, 12:43, said:

I have noticed some of our local "gurus" tossing around the term or referring to "old bridge" vs. "new bridge". Can someone tell me what this means?


At expert levels I would say far more competitive bidding.
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Posted 2015-October-22, 04:24

 PhantomSac, on 2015-October-21, 19:29, said:

At expert levels I would say far more competitive bidding.

Do you claim that below expert level Bridge used to be always more competitive?

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Posted 2015-October-22, 04:49

Hi Monami, welcome to the forum!

It could mean all kind of things so you will have to ask them. Maybe old bridge is rubber bridge? Or some old-fashioned bidding style? Who knows.
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Posted 2015-October-22, 19:08

 rhm, on 2015-October-22, 04:24, said:

Do you claim that below expert level Bridge used to be always more competitive?

Rainer Herrmann


That's exactly what I meant you stupid semantic troll.
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Posted 2015-October-23, 01:31

 PhantomSac, on 2015-October-21, 19:28, said:

right cuz no one was cheating back in the day. LOL.


 PhantomSac, on 2015-October-22, 19:08, said:

That's exactly what I meant you stupid semantic troll.

My comment was "tounge in cheek" and not meant to be taken seriously and you are not above making such comments yourself as the the quote above shows.
That's no reason to call someone a stupid troll

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Posted 2015-October-23, 04:29

There is a difference between semantic and logic...

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Posted 2015-October-23, 12:54

I think it's "semanticist troll", or possibly "semanticistic troll".
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2015-October-23, 13:48

 PhantomSac, on 2015-October-21, 19:28, said:

right cuz no one was cheating back in the day. LOL.

There was a different threshold way back then.

"Bridge Master: The Best of Edgar Kaplan" had some of his articles from the '50s (?) advocating scientific bidding. If I recall correctly, there was some mention of tacit agreement among experts that how you raised partner or doubled held some implications about what you held.

Old is remembering when people looked at you askew if you alerted a 1 NT response to a major as forcing, inverted minors, and new minor bids after a 1 NT rebid as a checkback.

Older is when people were shocked that 2 ♦, 2 ♥, and 2 ♠ openers were preemptive not strong and forcing. Bidding boxes, transfers -- what are they?

Ancient is remembering when you dressed up in suits/jackets and ties for the Sunday team game in tournaments. And the team game was always BAM.
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Posted 2015-October-24, 20:55

These come to mind:
Light initial actions, adjusting heavier 2N invitations.
Doubles showing at least two place to play.
Use of power doubles (Cooperative penalty/takeout) at or above 2♠
2N and 4N as two places to play.
Psyching 1NT playing 15-17...
Multi

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4♣ Mulberry / or whatever Eric R wants to call it...
Serious/Frivolous 3N
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