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Has U.S. Democracy Been Trumped? Bernie Sanders wants to know who owns America?

#21481 User is offline   Winstonm 

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Posted 2024-May-09, 09:54

Trump alone would not be such a problem but he is only a piece of a global war on liberal democracies using modernized disinformation techniques.
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Posted 2024-May-11, 00:03

A million Americans have died from Covid. 110 million Americans had it and recovered.
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Posted 2024-May-11, 01:17

 blackshoe, on 2024-May-11, 00:03, said:

A million Americans have died from Covid. 110 million Americans had it and recovered.


It's unclear what point you're trying to make, but the excess mortality from COVID19 in the USA is worse than any other comparable country.

This link shows the cumulative excess mortality in the USA compared with similar developed countries with reliable reporting.
There are many reasons for this, but a higher prevalence of metabolic syndrome (obesity, hypertension, bad lipids and type 2 diabetes) along with resistance to vaccination and the need to work when sick are three contributing factors.

Also, using 110M Americans as the denominator in your thinking is flawed.
Every American was exposed to the virus with many having a sub-clinical (had it but didn't know it) infection, or had it but didn't report it.

Your numbers would suggest a case fatality rate of just under 1%. it's probably much lower but the real question is, How many fewer than a million would have died if the USA was not being "governed" by a real estate agent and his children who tossed aside the pandemic preparedness plan produced by the Obama administration?
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Posted 2024-May-11, 15:17

 pilowsky, on 2024-May-11, 01:17, said:



It's unclear what point you're trying to make, but the excess mortality from COVID19 in the USA is worse than any other comparable country.

This link shows the cumulative excess mortality in the USA compared with similar developed countries with reliable reporting.


Thanks, that is a very interesting link.
If you include the principal European countries is it evident that Italy, Spain and particularly UK had a further surge of excess mortality during 2023 unparalleled in other countries.
No real idea what that is about (both Italy and Spain have a lot of old people and climate change problems) but it is certainly reflected by direct experience (my bridge club in northern Italy had 3 deaths 2016-2019, 7 in 2020-2023 of which 3 in the last year).
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Posted 2024-May-12, 12:52

I agree that the link is interesting. It is always wise to take care with statistics but thay can also be useful Here is something that interests me. Of course during covid it would be especially in the older age groups that the number of deaths would rise a lot from what had been predicted before covid. Within this older group, they coul look at whether the increase was particularly strong in eldercare facilities. Throughout my adult life I have read many hews reports on the failings of healthcare facilities for the aged. It's a tough job, of course, I get that, but often the care falls really short. There were disturbing news items during covid about local healthcare facilites and my thoughts were that many of the problems were chronic and wides[pread.

As I say, we have to be careful in drawing conclusions from statistics, we really do, but I would like to see what qualified people who are interested nn truth might be able to find.

My wife Becky and I are happily living independenly at home, I have friends happily living in various arrangements for the aged, so it's not all bad, of course not. ButI am pretty sure that there is a lot of room for improvement.
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