robot bidding is more crazy it needs to improve the logic...
#1
Posted 2015-February-13, 11:04
I took Ax Jx ATxx K987x and open 1D
robot responced 1H, then I rebidded 1NT
while 2 Passes, RHP double for leading direction
such as MP field, I'm glad to take redouble from holding Jx Heart
.......robot changed the redouble and rebidded 2D
I already think that it's rediculous, but the more rediculous auction happened
while RHP and I Passed, LHP bidded 2H to play, I'm glad to give a penalty for this
.......robot changed the double again and rebidded 2S
.......What the Hell
robot takes Txx K987 8xx Axx
I can't say any words to this robot but WTF
Oh My
May the programers improve the rediculous logic of GIB especially while human's partner?
#3
Posted 2015-February-13, 11:58
I wouldn't have a single criticism for a partner who pulled from 1NTXX as North, even though it can make. 2S is a different matter though... perhaps the X isn't explicitly defined as "penalty" for GIB? (Needs some meta-rule involving doubles after a redouble?)
East's penalty X of 1NT is also somewhat brave. Zia should have never given up on that bet.
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#4
Posted 2015-February-13, 12:28
I think East really doesn't have a his penalty double of 1nt, should have longer/better hearts. It doesn't even meet its requirements for the bid does it, is AQxx "rebiddable"?
Note that GIB saved you from your dubious redouble as you are down 1. I don't think you should xx for business solely on the basis of holding Jx of hearts rather than xx, which isn't going to do anything if East has AKQTx or so of hearts like he is supposed to. But I suppose the redouble should be defined as something specific with more definition than the 1nt bid. Maybe it should be showing K or A of hearts and a max? If it's for business. Then North should sit. Possible it could be defined as something else.
It ran to 2♦ because you opened 1♦ instead of 1♣ for some reason.
Your penalty double is also rather dubious. Your partner knows more about your hand than you do about his, in theory you should let GIB penalty double if he wants. Really the opps are not that far from making 2♥ x, they should make it if East actually had his first double. But I agree with K987 and a side ace that North should sit for it.
#5
Posted 2015-February-13, 12:31
I would be interested to know what Pass instead of XX would have shown and how the two are distinguished.
I don't think that I would have redoubled. Even assuming I had opened 1D.
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#6
Posted 2015-February-13, 14:19
Opener's XX and Pass are actually identical as such XX hasn't been planned in GIB's diary.
Then from North's POV the hearts are really mismatched. East promised 5+, West 3+, South 3 and North himself holds 4. That reflected to an error evidently.
#7
Posted 2015-February-13, 17:24
1eyedjack, on 2015-February-13, 12:31, said:
I would be interested to know what Pass instead of XX would have shown and how the two are distinguished.
I don't think that I would have redoubled. Even assuming I had opened 1D.
georgi, on 2015-February-13, 14:19, said:
Opener's XX and Pass are actually identical as such XX hasn't been planned in GIB's diary.
Then from North's POV the hearts are really mismatched. East promised 5+, West 3+, South 3 and North himself holds 4. That reflected to an error evidently.
I have to say that Gib's bidding are correct since opener don't know what's the meanings of redouble.
Obviously,its meanings is to escape this contract as possible if partner hold low limted hand :the opener send out "Help" signal to the partner with low limited hand,and request partner to pick up a suit as final contract in safe if partner hold weak hand,usually opener also have bust 5-card ♦ suit.
So the opener should rebid 2♣ instead of redouble after double,and should pass after Gib W bid 2♥.
#8
Posted 2015-February-14, 14:55
That said of course 2S on a 3 card suit is terrible. Has Georgi or anyone else EVER addressed this issue? It's certainly been discussed here enough.
#9
Posted 2015-February-16, 05:52
2♠ comes after GIB became dizzy about how many hearts are there at the table. After South's double they turn out to be 15 at least.
So when something is unclear GIB could be confused and found 2♠ as lower escape than 3♦.
So if XX shows something clear, the subsequent double by South would be more easy for GIB to swallow.
#10
Posted 2015-February-16, 07:12
georgi, on 2015-February-16, 05:52, said:
2♠ comes after GIB became dizzy about how many hearts are there at the table. After South's double they turn out to be 15 at least.
So when something is unclear GIB could be confused and found 2♠ as lower escape than 3♦.
So if XX shows something clear, the subsequent double by South would be more easy for GIB to swallow.
So, what change was made?
#11
Posted 2015-February-16, 07:14
Previous fix was about East's double which was buggy.
#12
Posted 2015-February-21, 15:45
robot responded perfectly.
Suppose you opened 1C, see what happens in the hand.