[djarv47]

(changed vote to 3♠ due to misunderstanding who was vulnerable)

I like 3♠ better than 4♠ because after the A and K, there really isn't much there, is there?

[djarv47]

(oops, misclick here...)

[djarv47]

TMorris, on 2014-January-27, 10:03, said:

You are in 2nd seat after a Pass non-vul v vul at IMPs. You have

A876543
x
K765
x

Thanks,

Sorry but I may have read the vulnerability wrong here. Does this mean 1st/3rd seat are vulnerable, or 2nd/4th seat are vulnerable? I based my choice on 2nd seat vulnerable.

[Zelandakh]

djarv47, on 2014-February-10, 22:50, said:

Sorry but I may have read the vulnerability wrong here. Does this mean 1st/3rd seat are vulnerable, or 2nd/4th seat are vulnerable? I based my choice on 2nd seat vulnerable.

It means WE (2nd & 4th) are not vulnerable and THEY (1st & 3rd) are vulnerable.

[lycier]

For radical bidding strategy,I will bid 4♠ even though 3♠ seems right due to its bad suit.

[mcphee]

It seems a bit of a position to bid in second seat. I don't really enjoy opening 3 bids with a suit like this, and in fact would prefer 1S if I felt forced to open. Will I be happy if partner bids 3N, I suppose you have to be if you choose 3S. For me I can in most cases get the chance to bid later with heaps more information so I vote pass as I am very willing to wait and hear.

[aguahombre]

mcphee, on 2014-February-11, 06:57, said:

I don't really enjoy opening 3 bids with a suit like this, and in fact would prefer 1S if I felt forced to open. Will I be happy if partner bids 3N, I suppose you have to be if you choose 3S. For me I can in most cases get the chance to bid later with heaps more information so I vote pass as I am very willing to wait and hear.

Our posts agree in our minority position. But, I don't remember partner ever bidding a successful 3NT over my opening 3S bid, and if she did she would probably not be expecting spade tricks which she might not be able to reach to cash.

[Lovera]

I have ruled myself in this way (so my partner knows how much strong is my preempt): with an hand to barrage (hand type 7-2-2-2 or so) i apply Courtney losers that in this case are 6 then 7 winners + vulnerability penalty(=rule of 2 and 3) for level determination that i correct in (more exact) rule of 1(vul vs not vul), 2( pair vul), 3(not vul vs vul) [In Courtney losers for barrage i don't consider winner Queen being control of 3th round subject ruff]. I bid 4 ♠.

[whereagles]

Necromancer!

[aguahombre]

whereagles, on 2014-October-29, 18:34, said:

Necromancer!

At my age, romance is romance.

[nige1]

TMorris, on 2014-January-27, 10:03, said:

You are in 2nd seat after a Pass non-vul v vul at IMPs. You have ♠ A 8 7 6 5 4 3 ♥ x ♦ K765 ♣ x

mcphee, on 2014-February-11, 06:57, said:

It seems a bit of a position to bid in second seat. I don't really enjoy opening 3 bids with a suit like this, and in fact would prefer 1S if I felt forced to open. Will I be happy if partner bids 3N, I suppose you have to be if you choose 3S. For me I can in most cases get the chance to bid later with heaps more information so I vote pass as I am very willing to wait and hear.

IMO 3♠ = 10, 4♠ = 9, 2♠ = 6. Whether it's legal to agree to open 1♠ on such hands is an interesting but rather academic question - since even where such rules obtain, they're rarely enforced.

[akwoo]

Pass. Especially 2nd hand. Note 7♠ is possible opposite a perfect balanced 15.

But with a random CHO, no decent methods, and playing to maximize results for the current hand, 4♠.

I can even be specific about 'decent methods' for this case: You have decent methods for this purpose if you have a way of bidding RKCB in spades after partner shows 15-17 balanced.

[gszes]

I guess its just more fun to preempt than

PASS


rho passed so they average around 5.5 hcp we have 7 that means there
are 27.5 hcp left for the other two and on average at around 14 each with
partners 14 getting a large 60% positional advantage means this hand
has a very strong chance of our side making game (ON AVERAGE).

It would seem like a poor idea to mess around with precious bidding space
when we might need it all to arrive at not only the right level but proper
strain. BTW the opps on average rate at most a part score so preemption here
messes with our bidding and doesn't hurt the opps much at all since they are
not going to sacrifice anyway.

[Lovera]

gszes, on 2014-October-29, 21:23, said:

I guess its just more fun to preempt than

PASS


rho passed so they average around 5.5 hcp we have 7 that means there
are 27.5 hcp left for the other two and on average at around 14 each with
partners 14 getting a large 60% positional advantage means this hand
has a very strong chance of our side making game (ON AVERAGE).

It would seem like a poor idea to mess around with precious bidding space
when we might need it all to arrive at not only the right level but proper
strain. BTW the opps on average rate at most a part score so preemption here
messes with our bidding and doesn't hurt the opps much at all since they are
not going to sacrifice anyway.

Probably rho had an max 8 points than remaining 25 : with 15 opposite we can consider to continue (and also partner) to bid.