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changed is mind during the bidding. Do you lead trying to find partner kings(s) ?

#1 User is offline   benlessard 

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Posted 2013-November-03, 19:41



IMPs

5D is 3 keyc, 5Nt ask for K (bypassed QH), 6H denied minors kings.
7H was bid after an hesitation.
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Posted 2013-November-03, 20:14

interesting, why would east ask for kings, and, upon hearing the "no kings, no grand" response, still bid 7?
I think that east has a hand 2-suited in the majors and wanted to find out if west had the king of spades, and, upon hearing a lack of minor suited kings, decided partner has the king of spades.
Since I don't think there's a point in leading a minor suit, I will try to lead a spade for partner to ruff.
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Posted 2013-November-03, 20:17

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Posted 2013-November-03, 20:36

The usual reason to ask for kings and then bid 7 of a suit anyway would be if a king would make 13 tricks for notrump instead of the suit. At IMPs that wouldn't be for the extra 10 score on the ticket, but maybe for safety.

Anyway, looks like he wants his 13 tricks from trumping something, so a trump lead feels right.
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Posted 2013-November-04, 00:46

I lead a trump against a grand unless I have a good reason not to. I don't have a good reason here.
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Posted 2013-November-04, 03:42

Agree with the trump lead. I am not going to finesse partner that way. Second choice is a spade, trying to find partner's void (he might have decided not to make a Lightner double because he thought that would ask for a diamond lead).
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Posted 2013-November-04, 09:28

I'd lead a spade. They don't always have the queen of trumps in this type of auction, or the non-trump lead may scare them into thinking trumps are 4-1. Dummy probably has SAK anyway, so the lead isn't likely to cost.
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Posted 2013-November-04, 11:39

Very bad policy for dummy to have the spade king. You should show it and if the 5nt bidder can't handle 6nt or the grand, they shouldn't ask. I won a ruling after a hesitation 6 bid and many would argue that if the spade King appears in dummy and was needed there was or must have been a hitch.

So I think declarer has it and I'm not leading one through dummies AT8. A trump it is.
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Posted 2013-November-05, 07:24

Opener bid 6H quite quickly. So I felt that he didnt have the K of S too (with the K of S he would probably think can I show it ?)

the S suit was

AQTx----x

and the D were

AQJ-----xx

our spades are Kxx --Jxxxx so 7 make even if the KD & KS are offside.

IMO if I lead D declarer still have to play for the Ks falling since the odds of underleading a K of D are slim here but it would sure have made declarer nervous.
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Posted 2013-November-05, 09:11

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Posted 2013-November-05, 09:42

View Postbenlessard, on 2013-November-05, 07:24, said:

Opener bid 6H quite quickly. So I felt that he didnt have the K of S too (with the K of S he would probably think can I show it ?)

In this forum, I wouldn't take that inference. But, maybe, my assumption that the opponents are expert (thus prepared with their continuations) is the invalid inference.

Anyway, there seem to be two reasons Declarer didn't ask for the heart queen and then bid 7 ---(one), he has it and wanted a minor suit King for 7NT..and (two) he is Joe Boo and wanted a heart lead. He's got me :rolleyes:
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Posted 2013-November-05, 12:44

I made a mistake if I lead a D hes going down since he will try rely on the S finesse (more likely than a King third)

Ive led a H so he had the time to try for Kxx in S before relying on D finesse.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
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Posted 2013-November-05, 14:26

View Postbenlessard, on 2013-November-05, 07:24, said:


IMO if I lead D declarer still have to play for the Ks falling since the odds of underleading a K of D are slim here but it would sure have made declarer nervous.



If I had the K of diamonds, I would be more likely to lead the suit, not less likely - I want to force declarer to make a decision quickly, instead of being able to fall back on a finesse. If I have 3 small, I'm afraid I'm picking off partner's Q or something by leading the suit.
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