Help
IMPs
My vote only got 130 out of 390.. ? While I was expecting something like 66%
Really surprised about this poll Not really close for me...but
#1
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 3,465
- Joined: 2006-January-07
- Location:Montreal Canada
- Interests:All games. i really mean all of them.
Posted 2013-September-11, 07:44
IMPs
My vote only got 130 out of 390.. ? While I was expecting something like 66%
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
#2
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 2,760
- Joined: 2006-January-30
Posted 2013-September-11, 08:43
X looks clear to me.
#3
- The Abbess
-
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 17,097
- Joined: 2004-April-22
- Gender:Female
- Location:UK
Posted 2013-September-11, 08:41
130 votes for pass, 130 for X and 130 for 3♠ looks ok.
The world would be such a happy place, if only everyone played Acol :) --- TramTicket
#4
- Group: Full Members
- Posts: 455
- Joined: 2003-September-07
- Gender:Male
- Location:Hillsboro, OR USA
- Interests:current events, long-distance cycling
Posted 2013-September-11, 08:49
3♠. The suit is too good - with a worse suit I would double.
#5
- enigmatic
-
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 4,757
- Joined: 2009-July-31
- Gender:Male
Posted 2013-September-11, 08:52
Definitely 3♠ for me, with such clear disparity in both suit length and strength.
Life is long and beautiful, if bad things happen, good things will follow.
-gwnn
-gwnn
#6
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 2,760
- Joined: 2006-January-30
Posted 2013-September-11, 09:03
The reason I don't like 3♠ is that we can never play 3♥.
#7
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 7,786
- Joined: 2004-September-05
- Gender:Male
- Location:Galloway NJ USA
-
Interests:Bridge, Poker, participatory and spectator sports.
Occupation - Tax Attorney in Atlantic City, NJ.
Posted 2013-September-11, 08:58
I would bid 3♠, with double as a second choice. Pass is too wimpy to consider, but it might be the winning action.
#8
- Andy Bowles
-
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 11,993
- Joined: 2007-May-03
- Gender:Male
- Location:London, UK
Posted 2013-September-11, 09:12
Does double followed by 3♠ show this, or should we have more of something?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
#9
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 12,870
- Joined: 2005-June-15
- Gender:Male
- Location:Canada
- Interests:Bridge, golf, wine (red), cooking, reading eclectically but insatiably, travelling, making bad posts.
Posted 2013-September-11, 09:14
gnasher, on 2013-September-11, 09:12, said:
Does double followed by 3♠ show this, or should we have more of something?
FWIW: my view is that double then 3♠ shows more spades and more hand: AK109xx AQx Axx x seems prototypical.
'one of the great markers of the advance of human kindness is the howls you will hear from the Men of God' Johann Hari
#10
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 7,786
- Joined: 2004-September-05
- Gender:Male
- Location:Galloway NJ USA
-
Interests:Bridge, Poker, participatory and spectator sports.
Occupation - Tax Attorney in Atlantic City, NJ.
Posted 2013-September-11, 09:10
gnasher, on 2013-September-11, 09:12, said:
Does double followed by 3♠ show this, or should we have more of something?
If one were to double, it would be with the intention of passing 3 of a red suit. I would think that double followed by 3♠ would show a much stronger hand rather than any sort of flexible hand with primary spades.
#11
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 5,058
- Joined: 2003-April-26
- Gender:Male
- Location:Scottish Borders
Posted 2013-September-11, 09:48
gnasher, on 2013-September-11, 09:12, said:
Does double followed by 3♠ show this, or should we have more of something?
I think you need more hand, contrary to mikeh I'm happy with these spades.
#12
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 3,952
- Joined: 2008-June-23
- Gender:Male
Posted 2013-September-11, 09:53
3♠ here.
Partner bidding 3♥ over double with 4-4 (or 3-4) in the majors is too annoying to contemplate but if you reverse my majors I'll double. Still risky on certain shapes but fewer of them. Pass is out.
Partner bidding 3♥ over double with 4-4 (or 3-4) in the majors is too annoying to contemplate but if you reverse my majors I'll double. Still risky on certain shapes but fewer of them. Pass is out.
When a deaf person goes to court is it still called a hearing?
What is baby oil made of?
What is baby oil made of?
#13
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 12,029
- Joined: 2009-February-21
- Gender:Male
- Location:St. George, UT
Posted 2013-September-11, 10:54
Because it is in this forum, I assume the poll was of experts. But, I don't know what pool of experts was polled. Just sitting back in my chair and starting to read the results of such poll, I would expect a significant majority to vote Double, with a very small minority of those doublers choosing further action after 3 red. They might also comment about the good things which could happen if advancer does something other than bid 3-red.
To be perfectly clear: I would expect several of those 390 experts to choose 3S, though perhaps not as many as 130.
To be perfectly clear: I would expect several of those 390 experts to choose 3S, though perhaps not as many as 130.
"Bidding Spades to show spades can work well." (Kenberg)
#14
- Limit bidder
-
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 8,482
- Joined: 2004-November-02
- Gender:Female
- Location:England
- Interests:Bridge, classical music, skiing... but I spend more time earning a living than doing any of those
Posted 2013-September-11, 11:26
I don't feel strongly about 3S or double, either could work. Personally I would double today, but might feel differently tomorrow.
I also think double then 3S shows more of a hand, not necessarily more spades.
I also think double then 3S shows more of a hand, not necessarily more spades.
#15
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 12,870
- Joined: 2005-June-15
- Gender:Male
- Location:Canada
- Interests:Bridge, golf, wine (red), cooking, reading eclectically but insatiably, travelling, making bad posts.
Posted 2013-September-11, 11:38
FrancesHinden, on 2013-September-11, 11:26, said:
I don't feel strongly about 3S or double, either could work. Personally I would double today, but might feel differently tomorrow.
I also think double then 3S shows more of a hand, not necessarily more spades.
I also think double then 3S shows more of a hand, not necessarily more spades.
My suggestion of 6=3=3=1 was as a prototypical hand. I would make the same call with shorter, but strong, spades if I held the right hand. AK10xx AQx Axxx x is equally plausible. AK10xx Axx Axx xx is not, at least for me. I actually dislike this example hand: I'd double and possibly miss the best level AND the best strain, playing 3♥ opposite QJx Kxxxx xx xxx.
The weaker my hand, the longer my spades, and so on.
'one of the great markers of the advance of human kindness is the howls you will hear from the Men of God' Johann Hari
#16
- 2011 Poster of The Year winner
-
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 6,002
- Joined: 2010-July-08
- Gender:Male
Posted 2013-September-11, 12:03
I would always bid 3S, def think X then 3S should be more
blogging at http://www.justinlall.com
#17
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 1,316
- Joined: 2011-March-01
- Gender:Male
- Interests:student of the game
Posted 2013-September-11, 14:44
JLOGIC, on 2013-September-11, 12:03, said:
I would always bid 3S, def think X then 3S should be more
Aren't those doubling planning to pass 3♥?
#18
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 2,016
- Joined: 2004-October-17
Posted 2013-September-11, 15:10
DJNeill, on 2013-September-11, 08:49, said:
3♠. The suit is too good - with a worse suit I would double.
ditto.
Senshu
#19
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 1,099
- Joined: 2008-November-21
Posted 2013-September-11, 15:39
benlessard, on 2013-September-11, 07:44, said:
My vote only got 130 out of 390.. ? While I was expecting something like 66%
you think you have it bad? I chose to pass! *ducks*
#20
- VIP Member
-
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 6,971
- Joined: 2009-November-14
- Gender:Male
- Location:Houston, TX
Posted 2013-September-11, 15:56
3♠ for me.
@OP: As i said in another topic, don't pay much attention to the quantity of votes, pay attention to who voted for what, unless of course voters are coming up with some convincing explanations.
I made my own chart for polls in BBF for example, there are 7 posters who i value their vote = 3 points, i have another 5 posters who i value their votes =2 points , i have 4 posters that i value their votes = 0 points and rest gets 1 points.
@OP: As i said in another topic, don't pay much attention to the quantity of votes, pay attention to who voted for what, unless of course voters are coming up with some convincing explanations.
I made my own chart for polls in BBF for example, there are 7 posters who i value their vote = 3 points, i have another 5 posters who i value their votes =2 points , i have 4 posters that i value their votes = 0 points and rest gets 1 points.
"Genius has its own limitations, however stupidity has no such boundaries!"
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."