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I don't understand 4NT. It seems that the two posters who are recommending it state that it shows clubs and a major. If so, why would you be interested in playing the major at the 5 level?
I would rather bid 4♠ than show both suits if showing both suits means bidding 4NT.
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Posted 2013-July-09, 14:50
ArtK78, on 2013-July-09, 13:41, said:
I don't understand 4NT. It seems that the two posters who are recommending it state that it shows clubs and a major. If so, why would you be interested in playing the major at the 5 level?
I would rather bid 4♠ than show both suits if showing both suits means bidding 4NT.
I would rather bid 4♠ than show both suits if showing both suits means bidding 4NT.
It seems pretty simple. The 4S bidders are betting that either S is the right denomination, that we can only take 10 tricks in spades, or that when clubs is right, the opps will do something to let us know, or that 4S won't be doubled where 5S might be, etc.
The 4N bidders are wagering that 11 tricks are available as long as they get to the right strain, and are showing the 2-places-to-play in an attempt to do so. It even emphasizes clubs in my mind.
The 5C bidders appear to be getting the worst of both worlds IMO - committing to one strain, and committing to 11 tricks - perhaps they reserve 4N for a different hand type.
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Posted 2013-July-10, 01:31
CSGibson, on 2013-July-09, 14:50, said:
The 5C bidders appear to be getting the worst of both worlds IMO - committing to one strain, and committing to 11 tricks - perhaps they reserve 4N for a different hand type.
I play it as a slam try with clubs and a major.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2013-July-10, 01:34
Does nobody play 4NT as natural?
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2013-July-10, 01:38
gwnn, on 2013-July-10, 01:34, said:
Does nobody play 4NT as natural?
Yes, I do that in at least one partnership. I don't think I've ever bid it though.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Maybe it's a better treatment than generally thought, if only to remove the temptation on bidding it on hands like this.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2013-July-10, 03:24
CSGibson, on 2013-July-05, 16:45, said:
Vul vs not in a sectional swiss, playing the event favorites and leaders (you are a close 2nd). RHO is a bit of a wild-card. Do you take action? If so, what?
Only 10 HCP on hand and still rooms for partner to balancing reopen. I will stay pass for this pre-emp action.
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Posted 2013-July-10, 07:47
IVAN CY LO, on 2013-July-10, 03:24, said:
Only 10 HCP on hand and still rooms for partner to balancing reopen. I will stay pass for this pre-emp action.
I guess you wouldn't act on
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for the same reason.
That is not to say that pass is an unreasonable action on the given hand. Only the rationale is completely wrong.
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Posted 2013-July-10, 13:56
On record for 4♠ at another website.
On BBF, the comments seem to indicate its close between 4♠ and pass. The other poll was much more tilted toward pass.
On BBF, the comments seem to indicate its close between 4♠ and pass. The other poll was much more tilted toward pass.
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Posted 2013-July-10, 19:34
ArtK78, on 2013-July-10, 07:47, said:
I guess you wouldn't act on
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for the same reason.
That is not to say that pass is an unreasonable action on the given hand. Only the rationale is completely wrong.
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for the same reason.
That is not to say that pass is an unreasonable action on the given hand. Only the rationale is completely wrong.
Rationale is I would choose to pass with such quality of 2 suits and with just a fair strength of hand.
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Posted 2013-July-11, 04:13
Phil, on 2013-July-10, 13:56, said:
On record for 4♠ at another website.
On BBF, the comments seem to indicate its close between 4♠ and pass. The other poll was much more tilted toward pass.
On BBF, the comments seem to indicate its close between 4♠ and pass. The other poll was much more tilted toward pass.
I don't really care much about the quantity of votes. In this site or another. I prefer paying attention who voted for what.
From my post you can easily see i have strong feelings for pass, however 3/4 of my favourite posters (in this topic) prefered to bid (Wank, Roger, Andy) and MikeH admitted that he leans towards pass. Wank admitted that it is dangerous action, while another poster stated that this is a "WTP 4♠" lol. That alone explains why i don't really care about the quantity of votes. Two people can vote for same option and still can be way too distanced from from each other about how they see the same hand. After reading Andy's post i wanted to write same thing that MikeH did about what to bid if i was forced to bid something. I really like 5♣ more than 4♠ and the reasons for that is well explained by Andy.
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Posted 2013-July-12, 09:49
ArtK78, on 2013-July-10, 07:47, said:
I guess you wouldn't act on
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for the same reason.
That is not to say that pass is an unreasonable action on the given hand. Only the rationale is completely wrong.
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for the same reason.
That is not to say that pass is an unreasonable action on the given hand. Only the rationale is completely wrong.
The ♥A isn't carrying full weight on offense.
Axxxx, x, x, AQxxxx
Most of this board would choose to bid with this hand.
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Posted 2013-July-12, 10:19
jogs, on 2013-July-12, 09:49, said:
The ♥A isn't carrying full weight on offense.
Axxxx, x, x, AQxxxx
Most of this board would choose to bid with this hand.
Axxxx, x, x, AQxxxx
Most of this board would choose to bid with this hand.
No, ALL of this board would choose to bid with this hand.