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〖专家讨论〗这牌你争叫2C吗?

#1 User is offline   lycier 

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Posted 2013-March-29, 11:48

View Posthan, on 2013-March-29, 04:15, said:

RHO opens 1S, you hold Qxx xx KQx KQ10xx. Will you overcall 2C? Do you think most of your peers make the same choice?


这是来自bbo专家级论坛的问题。贴主han是来自荷兰首都阿姆斯特丹的著名的专家牌手。

题面是:

当右家开叫1,你持有:Qxx xx KQx KQ10xx.
问题是:这牌你争叫2C吗?
局况:分四种:双有,双无,有局对无局,无局对有局。
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Posted 2013-March-29, 20:13

不是作为问题而提出的话,我会100%的选择2争叫。
可是专家级的牌手提出这个问题,说明必有可商榷处。
期待有关专家的解读~
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Posted 2013-March-30, 22:26

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下面是bbo专家论坛上的部分具有参考价值的意见:
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1-我首先发言立论:

View Postlycier, on 2013-March-29, 04:53, said:

Very good !
This is a classical hand which is suitable for bidding at balabced seat,not for

overcall,whatever vulnerable or non-vulnerable.
so my choice is all pass and never overcall.


我的观点是:
非常好的讨论题目!
我认为这是一副典型的适合于平衡叫不适合做争叫的牌面,不论有局无局任何局况!所以我的选择是:全都pass,绝不争叫。
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View PostAdebisi, on 2013-March-29, 05:05, said:

Good hand,opening strength, seems automatic 2 bid, only pass after passed partner.


大意是:
很好的牌面,拥有开叫实力,看起来可以自动作2c争叫,唯除同伴是pass过的情况。

---话外音1:---我的评论是:我不认为Adebisi意见很有见地,但出于不能排斥异己之论,才给与翻译,也不反驳。
---话外音2:贴主回帖提示:同伴不是叫过pass的一家。
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View PostFluffy, on 2013-March-29, 07:10, said:

Do I have 6 card suit? No, do I have extra strengt to compensate? No. So no overcall, I don't expect the others to do the same but they are stll wrong.

If playing Ghestem I supose you should even overcall less, since 2 bid is already overloaded with some 3 preempts.


BBO论坛著名的西班牙世界大师Fluffy发表意见,大意是:

我有六张的花色吗?我有额外牌力去作争叫吗?答案是否定的!所以绝不争叫。我不希望其他人再去犯同样的自以为是的错误。
如果主打盖当斯约定叫(Ghestem),我认为您更应该少一点参与争叫,因为2c已经超过了某些3c阻击叫的主打负荷实力了。

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View PostPhil, on 2013-March-29, 09:53, said:

Good problem, since my choice differed with all three vulnerabilities.

This does not mean I had a good answer.

美国专家牌手phil认为:

非常好的讨论题目!我的选择依据是否有局的局况不同而不同。
但,这不意味着我得到了一个好的答案。

----话外音:我认为phil大师,牌理阐述苍白,似乎什么都没说;解读他的意思是:局况有利时就争叫,局况不利时就pass沉默。也许有空我亲自问问phil,但愿没有曲解。

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View PostJLOGIC, on 2013-March-29, 11:44, said:

w/w MP, w/r imps, w/r MP.

I could see myself sometimes overcalling w/w at imps, not sure what my standard action would be,

it is the only debatable one in my mind.


JLOGIC,很多人不会陌生,这是美国桥协最年轻的桥牌终身大师。
大意是:
我检视自己,有时候在打imps时我作争叫了,但我尚未确定我的标准叫牌是什么,这也是我心中唯一的一个悬而未决的问题。

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View Postgwnn, on 2013-March-29, 13:05, said:

To quote Lady Thatcher: No, no, no.


来自荷兰恩斯赫德市的专家gwnn,径直表白自己严肃的态度:
引用撒切尔夫人的话说:不,不,不!

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View PostMrAce, on 2013-March-30, 16:17, said:

Never


来自美国德克萨斯州休斯顿的著名美国专家牌手MrAce,以毋庸置疑的态度,直截了当地说:绝不争叫!

---话外音:很少看到MrAce只说结论的讨论方式。
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当然还有一些牌手也发表了意见,但大多数态度是鲜明的:不争叫。持反对意见者仅是少数。
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Posted 2013-March-30, 22:33

欢迎朋友们借此继续跟着讨论,不要人云亦云。没有好担心的,讨论嘛。桥牌没有绝对,而且常常还不可避免加附者时代的烙印!
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Posted 2013-March-30, 23:42

专家们还挺幽默,引用了撒切尔夫人的话。
我仅会在无对有时做2争叫,其他局况PASS。
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Posted 2013-March-30, 23:48

无论任何局况,包括双人赛,绝不争叫。
理解:
1一阶争叫与二阶争叫是天上地下的区别。被加倍的宕一与宕二无论是什么差别大到无法承受。这牌在极限情况下,可能只有二个赢墩。至少你没有确定的5张赢墩,你的的输张达到九个之多。
2OPP开叫花中带Q三张是最差的持牌情况。这是一手典型的不采取争叫的牌。
3.但这不是一手如上所说一无是处的牌,这手牌颇具防守与进攻弹性,可以应对PD的任何平衡叫,也可防御OPP的有将或者无将成局定约
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Posted 2013-March-31, 06:28

1. 我方有局坚决不争叫。

2. 我方无局争叫2C:尚可的C套和牌力。
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